Asperger's Syndrome

Regarding something mentioned earlier, I have given some thought as to why professionals might say they are doing the best for us while really they are just carrying on their work, or working for the general good. It's because they don't love the person/people they are dealing with like one would tend to love a family member. It is one reason why I think it would lead to a fairer society if the nuclear family could be replaced with something better, somehow.

I took the test earlier, and the outcome is a bit different this time.

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Your Aspie score: 159 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 43 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
 
Syne said:
I am commenting on the self-serving and apologetic belief in a "value" of AS. Have pride in what adversities you have overcome, but do not delude yourself into thinking it is anything more noble than a disorder.
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The term disorder fails to account for the distinct differences in which an autistic person experiences the world. It may be a neurological difference which evolution favors. It may be the future of mankind.
 
Syne said:
Unsubstantiated nonsense. Evolution favors survival in groups, which poor social skills would preclude.
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Not necessarily. Evolution in a modern technological society might favor those who can master highly technical skills.
 
spidergoat said:
Not necessarily. Evolution in a modern technological society might favor those who can master highly technical skills.
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Not only that. Also being able to spend long stretches of time alone, with no or only superficial interpersonal contact, to no detriment to one's health, wellbeing and productivity - this is an important skill too in modern societies.
 
spidergoat said:
Not necessarily. Evolution in a modern technological society might favor those who can master highly technical skills.
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The mastery of highly technical skills is not unique to Aspies, so this is unsupportable speculation.

Whatever makes you feel better.
 
elte said:
Regarding something mentioned earlier, I have given some thought as to why professionals might say they are doing the best for us while really they are just carrying on their work, or working for the general good. It's because they don't love the person/people they are dealing with like one would tend to love a family member. It is one reason why I think it would lead to a fairer society if the nuclear family could be replaced with something better, somehow.
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I mentioned before that Aspergeans think in a globally empathetic way. I think your comment is a good example. I also wish for a fairer society.

A couple of things, though.

1. Dawkin's selfish gene concept is falling to basic concepts in game theory like proximity. Relatedness is less important than it was once thought to be.

2. I remember reading a study once that looked into the different ways that families respond to children with Asperger's syndrome vs. children with ADD. The children with ADD are treated better and are well more liked than children with Asperger's. There may be a built in prejudice against Asperger's that goes back to the dawn of our species. The mirror neuron deficit in Aspergeans is immediately detectable to neurotypicals on both a conscious and an unconscious level.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
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Syne said:
The mastery of highly technical skills is not unique to Aspies, so this is unsupportable speculation.

Whatever makes you feel better.
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As you might know, evolution doesn't work only by skills but by degree. An animal who's camouflage is even slightly better is more likely to survive in the gene pool in terms of long term statistics. Also, I didn't say any of this was anything more than speculation. It doesn't make me feel better or worse, since I have no problem being autistic.
 
spidergoat said:
The term disorder fails to account for the distinct differences in which an autistic person experiences the world. It may be a neurological difference which evolution favors. It may be the future of mankind.
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I agree that Asperger's is a neurological difference that is favored in a technological society. But evolution doesn't necessarily favor it generally. I very seriously doubt whether the trait will be favored in the future for it's technological prowess, since the human species has far overshot the resource base necessary to maintain technological civilization. We are headed for a near term social collapse that will drastically reduce human numbers and end the short technological phase of our species forever. It is possible that, in the future, the genes for Asperger's might be favored over neurotypical genes in terms of hunting abilities and a more solitary hunter gatherer lifestyle.

The genes for Apserger's syndrome are theorized to have come from Neanderthal cross breeding with our early neurotypical ancestors.

Please read this cool article, if you haven't already.

http://www.neanderthalproject.com/?t...rgers-syndrome

---Futilitist:cool:
 
Syne said:
Unsubstantiated nonsense. Evolution favors survival in groups, which poor social skills would preclude.
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Evolution does not generally favor large groups over small groups. It all depends on the prevailing environmental conditions. In the future, smaller groups will likely be favored, due to resource constraints.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
Syne said:
The mastery of highly technical skills is not unique to Aspies, so this is unsupportable speculation.

Whatever makes you feel better.
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The speculation is well supported in the literature. Your unsupportable denial seems to make you feel better, though.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
wynn said:
Not only that. Also being able to spend long stretches of time alone, with no or only superficial interpersonal contact, to no detriment to one's health, wellbeing and productivity - this is an important skill too in modern societies.
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This might be an important skill in post modern societies, as well. Having a more solitary lifestyle is also good for avoiding violence.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
spidergoat said:
It might be critical for a spacefaring race.
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Perhaps, but I very seriously doubt that spacefaring is in our future. We are not moving in that direction fast enough to avoid a near term social collapse due to civilization reaching a point of negative EROEI. I wish that wasn't true as well, but, nonetheless, it seems to be the case. No genius Aspergeans will solve this conundrum for everyone else because it is simply not a solvable problem. It is a dilemma, not a problem.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
Futilitist said:
Perhaps, but I very seriously doubt that spacefaring is in our future. We are not moving in that direction fast enough to avoid a near term social collapse due to civilization reaching a point of negative EROEI. I wish that wasn't true as well, but, nonetheless, it seems to be the case. No genius Aspergeans will solve this conundrum for everyone else because it is simply not a solvable problem. It is a dilemma, not a problem.

---Futilitist:cool:
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You are forgetting that space exploration is no longer done exclusively by rich governments. Perhaps some investors will send us to another planet at which point the human species will split off.
 
spidergoat said:
You are forgetting that space exploration is no longer done exclusively by rich governments. Perhaps some investors will send us to another planet at which point the human species will split off.
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The near term social collapse that I speak of will likely be upon us in the next decade. There is no way that any rich investors will put up enough money to solve all the technical issues (if they even are solvable) in that short a time frame. It is very likely that the monetary system will fail first in the next couple of years, maybe much sooner. It is already *WAY* too late for technical fixes.

I will start another thread to cover this topic in more detail.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
Futilitist said:
The near term social collapse that I speak of will likely be upon us in the next decade. There is no way that any rich investors will put up enough money to solve all the technical issues (if they even are solvable) in that short a time frame. It is very likely that the monetary system will fail first in the next couple of years, maybe much sooner. It is already *WAY* too late for technical fixes.

I will start another thread to cover this topic in more detail.

---Futilitist:cool:
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I agree about the impending economic collapse. But they probably already have it ready to go in an old volcano somewhere.
 
spidergoat said:
I agree about the impending economic collapse. But they probably already have it ready to go in an old volcano somewhere.
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I doubt it. And if only the super rich colonize space, then the entire universe is doomed.

---Futilitist:cool:
 
Futilitist said:
The speculation is well supported in the literature. Your unsupportable denial seems to make you feel better, though.
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Show me. It is clear that AS has some definite disadvantages, and no significant advantages over neurotypicals.
 
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