The topic says all I am asking.
"Disorder?"
The topic says all I am asking.
Relative to males, there are three (in general) layers of firmware. Going from bottom to top, these firmware are male, female and male in terms of traditional sexual character. The bottom male layers are connected to the animal instinct of a male. The middle layers, which are crosssexual (male's female side) is connected to firmware of relationship (human, object and intellectual relationship). These can make a male moody or emotional, which is why it is called female. While the highest layers are connected to firmware of meaning (rational and empirical). In the female, the layers go female, male, female. The middle male layers of a female are her masculine side (perfection).
This is nothing remarkable. It's well known that human behavior can be changed by intensive and intrusive psychological techniques. This is true for many people, perhaps even the majority of us; I've never seen a study that attempted to determine the percentage who are vulnerable to it. We call it "brainwashing." Perhaps you've encountered the term in your extensive reading during your psychology course in graduate school, which qualifies you to pontificate on such a sensitive and controversial subject in such an obnoxious and insulting way?One of the psychologists responsible for actively having homosexuality removed from the list of psychological disorders only three decades ago was a man named Robert Spitzer. He's changed his views. In Oct 2003, he published a study that shows that "homosexuality" can be cured through "reparative therapy."
Yeah sure. I'll put it right on the list with the Bible, Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto. Some things are just to evil too read. They make me throw up.See more about Robert Spitzer's study here.
If homosexuality is inherited, and I believe this is true for a majority of them, then it is people like you who are responsible for its persistence. The only reason this "disease" as you call it is still circulating around our gene pool is because radical purists used to persecute and kill those who practiced it. Gays do not procreate, but if you coerce those indivisuals through violence and stigma (like suggesting they are diseased), most will fall in line and never "come out of the closet". They'll get married, have children and pass their genetics along simply because they were forced to live a lie in order to make a life for themselves (as Spitzer's study confirms). If homosexuals were always allowed to live their lives in peace then, quite possibility, there would be far fewer of them today. That moment has long passed.Originally Posted by Mind Over Matter
If homosexualitiy were genetic, the parents must have all contracted the disease in order to spread it to their children. :shrug:
Then you don't seem to know much what genetics is about.
I don't know why he refuses to answer the question, it's not that hard.Mind Over Matter:
You keep referring to homosexuality as a "disorder". If you wish to keep using that term, I suggest you present some kind of argument showing how and why it is a "disorder".
You are, after all, talking about as much as maybe 12.5% of the population.
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disorder /dis·or·der/ (dis-or´der) a derangement or abnormality of function; a morbid physical or mental state.
An abnormality of function. Homosexuality is a deviation from the norm. It is, therefore abnormal. Thus a person who engages in homosexual activity is engaged in an abnormality of his or her sexual function.
You could say the same for being left handed. To take the argument even further, both conditions are thought to carry a decreased life expectancy*
Any characteristic that only a minority of the population possesses is abnormal, that doesn't necessarily mean it's morbid or deranged.Do you think homosexuality is a "derangement" and/or a "morbid state"? Clearly you think it is "abnormal".
God, nature, statistics? Take your pick.Who made heterosexuality "the norm"?
Of course it is. You might as well say that being a cat is normal for a cat. That doesn't have any impact on what is normal in the population as a whole.Have you considered that, just maybe, homosexuality is quite "normal" for homosexual people, in the same way that being left-handed is "normal" for left-handed people?
.Did I say otherwise? Well, except for the decreased lifespan, of course.Homosexuality is not a pathology. There's nothing unhealthy about homosexuality. Homosexuality doesn't prevent people from living rich, fulfilled lives
some of the reduction for lefties is believed to be due to innate problems perhaps caused by the same insult that may have caused the individual to be left handed in the first place. The rest has to do with the fact that the entire world is designed for the right handed which makes lefties more accident prone. For homosexuality, I assume it's mostly HIV.I haven't read the links, but I'm assuming the reduction in life expectancy is not due to innate characteristics, but due to the social and societal impacts on individuals with those characteristics. In which case, society is to blame, not the "abnormality".
Any characteristic that only a minority of the population possesses is abnormal, that doesn't necessarily mean it's morbid or deranged.
some of the reduction for lefties is believed to be due to innate problems perhaps caused by the same insult that may have caused the individual to be left handed in the first place.
Dr. Bailey estimated that the degree of the genetic contribution to homosexuality could range from 30 percent to more than 70 percent, depending on varying assumptions about the prevalence of homosexuality and how well the sample represents twins in the general population.
If 'disorder' is not a nice sounding word and you don't want to label homosexuals as such, therefore I consider changing it with whatever term you would be more comfortable. I didn't mean to insult homosexuals.But you are the one who treats us that way.
Traditionally and naturally, males tend to be more permiscuous compared to females. If gays males are defined as, males on the outside and female on the inside, why is the inside motivation, permiscous like expected of an inner male? It would make more sense if gay men, or the women inside, was more passive. This seems to indicate programming that is not fully complete, with natural still bleeding through and not fully deprogrammed.
An abnormality of function. Homosexuality is a deviation from the norm. It is, therefore abnormal. Thus a person who engages in homosexual activity is engaged in an abnormality of his or her sexual function.
You could say the same for being left handed.
Well, it depends upon then population one is considering. In thle US, having white skin is certainly not abnormal. The other factors, sure. A person can be abnormally tall or abnormally smart. Although I wouldn't say six feet is beyond the range of normal (the average in the US is 5'10).madanthonywayne:
So you'll agree that having blond hair is abnormal. Having white skin is abnormal. Being taller than 6 feet is abnormal. Having an IQ of over 110 is abnormal.
Some sort of insult to the brain has long been hypothesized as a cause of at least some cases of left handedness. I recall being told that there are more geniuses who are left handed, but that lefties are also more prone to learning disabilities and various diseases ( not to mention accidents).Insult. Hmm... interesting term. You don't consider left-handedness to be in the "normal" range of human variance?
Jumping all over someone for using the term "disorder" for what listed as a mental illness by the World Health Organization until 1993 and by the US Pentagon until 2006 seems a bit excessive. Not only did you jump all over the guy, you acted as though the idea of homosexuality as a disorder was some foreign concept you'd never heard of.You seem to have very rigid standards of what is "normal" for human beings
1) Homosexuality is normal in human societies. A human society with little or no homosexual behavior would be very unusual - possibly unprecedented. If there have been any major ones, they haven't survived let alone flourished.madanthony said:Homosexuality is a deviation from the norm. It is, therefore abnormal