At least it'll be 3 days without 'why is EM wave emit photon?'
All Photons Move at 300,000km/s.... But Don't?
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At least it'll be 3 days without 'why is EM wave emit photon?'
I predict he'll be back with the same questions.
I also believe he really wants a permanent ban, so as he can claim victim status at the hands of the evil science community, at and to whatever church gathering he frequents.
The only answer he is interested in, is God did it!
This video only describes light moving less than c, I used the speculative concept of the wormhole as an inference to describe the apparent violation of the light speed barrier.
exchemist
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It's going to be a long haul, evidently. "QM is poop.", "Why erectron not fall into nucreus?", etc., etc. [repeat and fade]
exchemist
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You were talking about entanglement, not refraction, as I recall, whereas this video - and a lot of the previous discussion - has been about refraction.
But, even with entanglement, I do not understand why you think this involves photons apparently travelling faster than light. Can you explain why you think it does?
Duh! I thought he /she was evolving before our eyes.
Only 3 days? Well, as jcc might put it...the mods are too wishy washy but very nicey for my 3 days rest.
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danshawen
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"Although Schwarzschild wormholes are not traversable in both directions, their existence inspired Kip Thorne to imagine traversable wormholes created by holding the "throat" of a Schwarzschild wormhole open with exotic matter (material that has negative mass/energy)." --attributed to Kip Thorne, Wikipedia
When I read that entry under "wormholes" in Wikipedia over 18 years ago now, it made me so angry, I avoided reading anything else about Kip Thorne or anything else he said or did since then. Thorne went on to help produce "Interstellar", and his brand of science has not improved even slightly over that of my first impression. This is not the way science builds into something remotely useful, by speculation on top of speculation.
Your opinions are your own, but I'm afraid that will always be mine. I banned myself from further conversation about this, FYI.
When I read that entry under "wormholes" in Wikipedia over 18 years ago now, it made me so angry, I avoided reading anything else about Kip Thorne or anything else he said or did since then. Thorne went on to help produce "Interstellar", and his brand of science has not improved even slightly over that of my first impression. This is not the way science builds into something remotely useful, by speculation on top of speculation.
Your opinions are your own, but I'm afraid that will always be mine. I banned myself from further conversation about this, FYI.
Yes, yes, we all know your thoughts about Kip from other rants of yours.Why can you not realise that he was being speculative? I have his book and it's clear enough in there.
But of course we all still know, as Thorne does, that any sufficiently advanced civilisation, can achieve anything allowed for by the laws of physics and GR.
Read this goofball. Nobody gives a crap what you've got to say. Then read this.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.1283v1
LOL. FYI. There can be no wormhole without the negative energy to open the throat and line the walls. Ignorance is a choice. If you can't at least learn the basics you should put a cork in your useless opinions.
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I don't think the photons are moving at all that is why I used the wormhole example, when discussing space time you have to disregard the the deterministic rules of space, because space time is how I would describe it as an evolution of space and space time is what we cannot directly observe but has real consequences to our reality. So if you reach the limitations of space and even movement that is the place where all the missing information will be accounted for...Dark matter negative energy, the evolution of matter and even conscious life it's all connected its all one unified system, these are just my assumptions something to think about, I tried my best to simplify what am saying but the arguements to be potentially laid out could get complex since it would be hinting at unification.
exchemist
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If you do not think photons are moving, how do you account for the results of experiments that measure the speed of light, such as Michaelson and Morley's, not to mention the numerous phenomena involving the time delay of signals transmitted by EM radiation?
Another point I just realised regarding your rant about Thorne and wormholes. He of course was not the first to suggest such an outcome of GR, it was Einstein himself along with Nathan Rosen and the ERB scenario [Einstein Rosen Bridge]
So maybe you need to start another hate club for Albert and Nathan.
I don't believe it is logical to say photons are not moving...How otherwise is the photo electric effect produced.
From our frame of reference they are certainly moving, but if one could put himself in the Photon's frame of reference, things would look different.
Due to infinite length contraction, light could traverse the whole Universe in no time at all.
Would a photon also experience infinite time dilation too?
Yep certainly as I understand it. A photon in its own frame of reference, experiences no time and no distance.
Then that approximately 1 second time delay during the communication with the astronauts on the moon must really be a puzzler for you.
Aren't you a previously banned member?
The photons only stop moving after they transcend the light speed barrier because theoretically nothing can move FTL time dilation still holds all the things you mention here still holds the only new issue to be adressed is entanglement. Since at the speed of light TOA = 0 and also distance = 0 there is no distance left for the photon to travel or no space left this is why I said they are not moving at that speed but instead they are undergoing a whole different phenomenon they are evolving, this is the evolution of space to space time then matter and so on...
My assumptions does not violate any of the already accepted physics all the things you mentioned here is correct and they still hold firmly, it is only when the light speed barrier is violated such as in cases involving entanglement when you have to consider a different way to infer what is happening with the behaviors of matter or photons. At zero length the photons run out of "space" to travel and now become indigenous to "space-time" but space time does not add space instead it uses it up creating all sorts of effects like negative energy dark matter and such so this is why the visible universe appears to have less material in it that is supposed to be predicted by physics " gravity" is actually more special than people may think.
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I was not talking about time dilation nor was I denying it I was actually making an assumption to extend it.
Danshawen lighten up, have a little fun life is too short not to speculate...