Hey, when it comes to you, I don't know if you've seen a portrait of Christ in toast simply because you wanted to.
A Perfect World?
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spidergoat
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I'm assuming for the sake of argument that it's true. Don't make it personal.
spidergoat
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Usually less suffering. In the Middle Ages when suffering was considered the logical consequence of the fall, people accepted it as normal. Now we fight it and sometimes win.
I did but sold it on eBay. I'm certain it is the centerpiece of a personal shrine somewhere.
Sure, I used ibuprofen this morning to kill a headache, but I still suffered for some time. Nonetheless, it passed with time.
spidergoat
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Way to minimize the issue. You aren't addressing the problem seriously because you have no answer. If suffering is an illusion or not a big deal, then there is no punishment for sin either.
Do you view worldly suffering as punishment from God? I don't.
spidergoat
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No, worldly suffering in the Bible is a virtue, which is perverse.
It is as natural as is pleasure. Perhaps it is a virtue? If you can accept it when it shows itself, and survive, are you not that much stronger?
I can't be bothered to read the wiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Friedrich_Nietzsche
Not for me, but I can't answer for others.
So your saying suffering is your god's version of Nature's evolution. Those that survive your god's inflicted suffering are better for it.What happens to all those that don't survive?
Why do I see a picture of someone going around kicking pigeons and saying those that survive are stronger and have a better understanding of me their god?
All I know for certain is that suffering is part of life. Some survive, some don't. But as with everything in life, nothing is permanent.
Yet pigeons are everywhere.
Which ones? The suffering ones, dead ones or the live ones? In your god's plan, (nothing is permanent) if there's nothing after death, then why invent suffering if there's only one life to live? Why kick the pigeons, causing suffering when their going to die in the end anyway? What benefit does your god get out of making things suffer when their due to die in the end anyway?
I don't know that.
The question is, what benefit do you get from suffering? Read an article about people who have no pain receptors. They are prone to hurting themselves without knowing it--breaking bones and other injuries. Is there some point in pain, SP?
The evolutionary benefit of pain, is as you say, it stops the animal doing further damage to itself. But, in your god picture were does this fit in with your god inflicting cancer on life?
Does everyone die? Need death be specific? Do you want to witness your death or would you rather be sleeping when it comes?
I'm just trying to find out why the suffering (maybe years) before death? I only take this view because of your saying God is everything. That is, your god didn't just turn up in the universe and started altering what it found. Your god is the universe. Will you now be saying your god is only working with what it found and is not everything?
Do you see the Universe ending any time soon. If you had billions of lives to live, would it matter much how you died each time? I'm not wishing for a painful death, but I accept it as a possibility.
