Except, this isn’t a physics forum, I suggest you read the name of the forum. It’s called Sciforums and the subforum is politics…oops. Before you go calling other people dullards, I suggest you take a long and serious look at yourself.In a physics forum where these people are supposedly thinkers post with their emotions and not there brains. The home of the free and the brave cannot survive if this is an example. I am very sad that we have become a nation of dullards.
Ted Cruz is running? I don't think he's a natural born citizen. Let's hope the Birthers apply just as much scrutiny to the circumstances of his birth.
The Birthers are the "courageous conservatives" who support Cruz. I'm kind of loving it, because I don't think the American population as a whole is that batshit crazy. It will certainly be entertaining.Ted Cruz is running? I don't think he's a natural born citizen. Let's hope the Birthers apply just as much scrutiny to the circumstances of his birth.
Well, to be fair, a captive audience is better than a silent or booing audience.That... is actually kind of sad... they have to use a captive audience to appear impressive...
Yes, he is a Southern Baptist preacher. In 2005 he became a naturalized US citizen. And in his youth, he fought for Castro for a time.Isn't his father an evangelical pastor or something?
I find the whole appeal to a higher power, in a religious evangelical university, especially to announce one's Presidential campaign, to be disturbing. Especially given the demand of separation of Church and State. And especially given that Tea Party activists like Cruz are so vocal about Constitutional rights.
Yes, he is a Southern Baptist preacher. In 2005 he became a naturalized US citizen. And in his youth, he fought for Castro for a time.
I share your concerns over the separation of church and state. Conservatives have a very selective reading of the Constitution.
Quakers did not believe in the strict rules imposed by the Puritan church. They believed that people could have a direct relation with God, rather than one mediated by a minister.The colony’s religious tolerance soon attracted German and Scottish immigrants, and promoted more peaceful relations with local Indians. Furthermore, it helped Philadelphia grow into the most important city in the thirteen colonies, and it helped established Pennsylvania Dutch Country, where German “Deutsh” political and religious refugees formed farming communities.
One has to look at the separation of church and state, in a historical context, to see why this amendment was added in the first place. From about 400AD to about the mid 1500's AD, the Catholic Church controlled a wide range of countries in a vast empire; Holy Roman Empire. This monopoly changed with Martin Luther leading to the Protestant movement. This lead to a chain reaction, leading to baby bell churches, where each country/state had more control; Church of England.
The Church of England was controlled by the King or the state. The King wanted to divorce his wife, but the Catholic Church would not allow it. The King/state defied the Catholic Church and changed the rules to accommodate himself. This led to a trend of the state controlling the church. This led to religious persecution, condoned by the state, and the Pilgrim coming to America, so they could be free from state controlled religion; early 1600's. There were also the Quakers who expanded on this.
The Constitution saw the need for the separation of church and state, in the context of countries, like England, who controlled their Church, and used it as a tool. They did not what the US government using its power to control religion. They wanted religious freedom. Philadelphia was named after one of the seven churches in the bible Prophesies and became the center of the movement toward freedom. It was the most blessed of the seven churches with no complaints from God.
It would be far more difficult for the diversity of religion and faith, to control the government, compared to a centralized government, trying to control a church; Church of England forced religion.
If you look at the trend, if one atheist complains of a Nativity Scene, they can override the rest of the community, because the state has the ability to control religion, more the local religion can control a corrupt state, that ignores the will of the majority.
How many victories has religion won had that change the status quo? Most of the victories of the church are due to the liberalism stealing, via the state, and religion not wanting to be robbed. The state will force Gay Marriage, and blame religion for defending itself. This justifies more control? This is the corruption of power for which the Amendment was added. The gays are allowed to start their own church. Only the state can break in and steal.
How many victories has religion won had that change the status quo? Most of the victories of the church are due to the liberalism stealing, via the state, and religion not wanting to be robbed. The state will force Gay Marriage, and blame religion for defending itself. This justifies more control? This is the corruption of power for which the Amendment was added. The gays are allowed to start their own church. Only the state can break in and steal.
Kittamaru said:After all, fair is only fair, right?
And you think that makes sense? Religious persecution existed long before King Henry VIII. In an historical context, North America and in particular what became the US was founded by individuals seeking religious freedom, the freedom to believe as they wish. That is one of the things you omit from your "history" lesson. What you and your Republican fellows are doing is holding one religion above all others. That puts the state right back where our founding fathers never wanted it to be; holding one religion or belief system above another. It goes against that notion of religious freedom when the state favors one religion over others. What you and your Republican fellows are doing is holding one religion over another and that is unconstitutional.One has to look at the separation of church and state, in a historical context, to see why this amendment was added in the first place. From about 400AD to about the mid 1500's AD, the Catholic Church controlled a wide range of countries in a vast empire; Holy Roman Empire. This monopoly changed with Martin Luther leading to the Protestant movement. This lead to a chain reaction, leading to baby bell churches, where each country/state had more control; Church of England.
The Church of England was controlled by the King or the state. The King wanted to divorce his wife, but the Catholic Church would not allow it. The King/state defied the Catholic Church and changed the rules to accommodate himself. This led to a trend of the state controlling the church. This led to religious persecution, condoned by the state, and the Pilgrim coming to America, so they could be free from state controlled religion; early 1600's. There were also the Quakers who expanded on this.
The Constitution saw the need for the separation of church and state, in the context of countries, like England, who controlled their Church, and used it as a tool. They did not what the US government using its power to control religion. They wanted religious freedom. Philadelphia was named after one of the seven churches in the bible Prophesies and became the center of the movement toward freedom. It was the most blessed of the seven churches with no complaints from God.
It would be far more difficult for the diversity of religion and faith, to control the government, compared to a centralized government, trying to control a church; Church of England forced religion.
If you look at the trend, if one atheist complains of a Nativity Scene, they can override the rest of the community, because the state has the ability to control religion, more the local religion can control a corrupt state, that ignores the will of the majority.
How many victories has religion won had that change the status quo? Most of the victories of the church are due to the liberalism stealing, via the state, and religion not wanting to be robbed. The state will force Gay Marriage, and blame religion for defending itself. This justifies more control? This is the corruption of power for which the Amendment was added. The gays are allowed to start their own church. Only the state can break in and steal.
Ted Cruz is running? I don't think he's a natural born citizen. Let's hope the Birthers apply just as much scrutiny to the circumstances of his birth.
That's OK: He expects the poor to pay more taxes to offset that while he shrinks government and strikes ever more statesmanlike poses.
Did you ever notice that he looks like another famous member of congress?
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Not sure about that. You are natural born if you are born outside the US and both your parents are US citizens. His father was a Cuban national. (In fact he claims he fought alongside Fidel Castro.)Anyhoo, Cruz is a natural born citizen by law.
Not sure about that. You are natural born if you are born outside the US and both your parents are US citizens. His father was a Cuban national. (In fact he claims he fought alongside Fidel Castro.)