You lost

Sarkus said:
If the end result elicits the intended response, what's the issue? Is it any less meaningful or valid just because it was deliberate, and engineered rather than just naturally played (if they are the only alternatives?)?
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For me, it's partly that it leaves very little room for interpretation--both with respect to the listening experience, as well as when another attempts to recreate the pieces. Pre-Baroque and even Baroque, to a somewhat lesser degree, affords the performer ample room for interpretation; music from the Classical period largely does not, and this is another reason I'm partial to what came before and what came after.

With recording and performance, I've never really done a whole lot of covers--maybe a dozen or so over my entire lifetime (not counting classical, or "classical", pieces). When I have done them--either solo or in a group context--they tend to sound quite different from the originals. Even when I, or we, are performing the exact same notes, at the same tempo, and so forth. It's hard to imagine playing anything from The Wall in any other manner than an attempted precise replication of the original.

So, obviously, it's not intrinsically "bad", it just comes down to personal preference.
Sarkus said:
Now, I'm not a musician, and maybe my ignorance in that direction has meant my ears are less fussy (and I don't mean that disparagingly, but in the ignorance is bliss way). Heck, I don't even really listen to lyrics. I hear the voice, but to me it's just an instrument. The lyrics just aren't important. I'm all for interesting vocals, something distinct, which both Waters and Gilmore have. So they could be singing the phone book and it would barely, if at all, affect my enjoyment. Maybe the beats of the consonants would be in the wrong place, but otherwise....
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Honestly, it's kind of hard to imagine listening to Roger Waters without paying attention to the lyrics--I suspect Waters would be enraged if you were to confess this to him!
Sarkus said:
That said, I do prefer live versions, but I think that's more for the spacing (?) of the sound, rather than the less engineered production, and more organic rendition.

And my ears aren't up to telling whether a drummer lags or drives. Side by side I could probably tell (I have a feeling Roger Taylor of Queen drives rather than lags, but that maybe just because it is something I've heard about him rather than recognise. Yes, I'm that much of a philistine! ;))
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I think you'd be able to tell very easily if you focussed upon it. All drummers--except for really bad drummers--have a tell, and a very distinctive signature sound. I've aways been a fan particularly of drummers who are widely perceived by many as, perhaps, rather mediocre or pedestrian. This includes people like Nick Mason, Ringo Starr (before he learned to play "properly" in the '70s), Guy Evans (Van Der Graaf Generator), and Mo Tucker (Velvet Underground). They've all got this style that, when listened to in isolation, sounds as though they could seriously use a click track or metronome; but within the context of the whole, whatever weird timing thing they've got going on becomes entirely moot.

Here's the isolated bass and drums from "A day in the life". Ringo is transcendent here:
 
Parmalee: "I think the thread was working as lot better when we were debating the merits of different eras of Pink Floyd."

I actually lived through all those eras. Some I don't remember. ;D
 
James R.

"It's good that our readers get to see exactly who you are, I think."

None of you knows exactly who I am.

Inbreeders can't grasp the concept of freebreeders.
 
Let me help.

MAGA

MAHA

We're in charge for the moment.

We're going to have our way.

All y'all can do is just sit back and watch.

Turnabout is fair play, no?

Y'all have been sticking it to us for quite some time.

Back at you.
 
TheVat said:
I like Satie, and his title choices were often whimsical - there's one called True Flabby Preludes for a Dog. I have only played his famous Gymnopedie on the pf - there's a title that probably your agent would talk you out of these days. Simpler times those were.
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What about encyclopaedias? :)
 
Mr. G said:
Let me help.

MAGA

MAHA

We're in charge for the moment.

We're going to have our way.
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So far, the stupidity, insanity and incompetence of what you're doing is massive and far reaching. Tank the economy, what reason? Make enemies of allies? To what end?

I find it hard to believe you think what's going on is a good thing somehow, which would easily demonstrate how utterly stupid you actually are if you did.
Mr. G said:
All y'all can do is just sit back and watch.

Turnabout is fair play, no?

Y'all have been sticking it to us for quite some time.

Back at you.
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Sticking it to you? That's an obvious lie that only really stupid people believe, but to give you the benefit of the doubt, feel free to explain how we've been sticking it to you, you fucking moron,
 
Mr. G said:
We're in charge for the moment.
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We can tell.

Stock market in freefall. Food prices up. Air travel no longer safe. Trump for sale to the highest bidder. Ukraine being abandoned to Putin. Epidemics - tuberculosis, measles, bird flu - raging. Medical and technical schools cancelling admissions. Critical nuclear weapons experts being fired.

And it may be four years before we can fix all the stuff you broke.
 
So apparently they are theatrically releasing a 4k restoration of Pink Floyd: Live at Pompeii. Not sure which edit though. Thoughts? Feelings? Plenty of Roger Waters stomping and scowling and... smiling? (And raving and drooling.)

Hawkwind and bunch of other weirdos used to perform those Free Festivals at Stonehenge. Back in the day, they we're pretty much right in front of the site, but then they were moved to a location near to the site. I just remembered that I had always planned to film a performance at the Stonehenge recreation in Maryhill, Washington, on a cliff alongside the Columbia Gorge. Never got a round to it, so I need to remedy that.

I once found myself there--the Maryhill Stonehenge, not the real one--with no idea as to how I got there. Retrograde amnesia of varying degrees and durations--and this was before I knew why that was happening. I just figured that I was transported there via magic or some technology indistinguishable from magic. And so the idea was born.
 
(Q) said:
You're a complete fucking idiot, that's exactly who you are.
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Probably so.

For the moment, I don't have to care as much as you.

Rearranging HSS Titanic's deck chairs is a yawner.

Bleating means "Over the target."
 
billvon said:
We can tell.

Stock market in freefall. Food prices up. Air travel no longer safe. Trump for sale to the highest bidder. Ukraine being abandoned to Putin. Epidemics - tuberculosis, measles, bird flu - raging. Medical and technical schools cancelling admissions. Critical nuclear weapons experts being fired.

And it may be four years before we can fix all the stuff you broke.
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Funny. We're breaking the things y'all broke and will break again because it's your right.

Awfully annoying.
 
parmalee said:
"I once found myself there--the Maryhill Stonehenge, ..."

I think it was '79. I lead a total solar eclipse expedition nearby.

I think the MaryHill museum is more interesting.

The Stonehenge recreation there is cardboard.
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Mr. G said:
Probably so.
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Definitely so, no question, no debate, no rebuttal, you are indeed.

Mr. G said:
For the moment, I don't have to care as much as you.
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Sure, maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon, you'll have little choice but to care when this administration screws you over. And, they will. Give it time.

Of course, being a Republican, it's unlikely you'd ever admit to anything and would probably play the victim card, like they all do. No morals, no ethics, all scumbags.
 
(Q) said:
Sure, maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon, you'll have little choice but to care when this administration screws you over. And, they will. Give it time.
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What I will be happy to hear are Mr G's screams of rage when the next democratic president comes in, replaces the current Supreme Court justices with her own appointees, makes the Green New Deal the law of the land, and puts protections in place for gay, trans, black etc people. "UNCONSTITUTIONAL! ARREST HIM!" he will scream. Ah, but Trump's Supreme Court have decreed that nothing a president does in his role as president can be prosecuted. And he has also proven that presidents do not have to listen to courts.

What's good for the goose and all that.
 
billvon said:
...here in reality.
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Hmm. You've never understood Relativity.

Arthur C. Clark; 2001: A Space Odyssey...

Apes battling over possession of the water hole: biggest rocks win. IQ isn't an actual factor.

Sciforums-like.
 
(Q) said:
"Definitely so, no question, no debate, no rebuttal, you are indeed."

Okay. You say so.


"Sure, maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon, you'll have little choice but to care when this administration screws you over. And, they will. Give it time."

Wouldn't be the first time.

"Of course, being a Republican,"

Actually, I've been a registered, unaffiliated Independent for some 30 years.

Too many boxes for you to check off in your analyses?


"...it's unlikely you'd ever admit to anything and would probably play the victim card, like they all do. No morals, no ethics, all scumbags."

Haven't been a Democrat since I voted for Carter.
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