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That sounds like something out of "1984" or "Brave New World". Hold on sir, show us your Certificate of Conformity!:)
It's just the way our government tries to protect the population from unsafe products. Trump has scrapped all that where you live, of course.
 
The Tesla truck is ugly. I'm not sure it should be banned due to nonconformity.
Banned for being a danger to the public, due to the way we live in Europe, where, as I say, cars, bikes and people often occupy the same spaces.

“Nonconformity” is not some arbitrary piece of bureaucracy, divorced from practicality, though no doubt that’s what President Musk and the Trumpies might like to pretend.
 
Banned for being a danger to the public, due to the way we live in Europe, where, as I say, cars, bikes and people often occupy the same spaces.

“Nonconformity” is not some arbitrary piece of bureaucracy, divorced from practicality, though no doubt that’s what President Musk and the Trumpies might like to pretend.
I haven't heard them mention it. It's just my comment.
 
I haven't heard them mention it. It's just my comment.
Yes, well, it’s just silly to think something gets banned “due to nonconformity” as if that is a reason in its own right. It obviously means nonconformity to some standard, which exists for some reason. And Sarkus and I gave you that information several posts back.
 
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It's just the way our government tries to protect the population from unsafe products. Trump has scrapped all that where you live, of course.
I assume it's the equivalent to our State Inspection.

Ironically (or not) Gregg Abbot has announced that Texas is doing away with State Inspections.
 
That sounds like something out of "1984" or "Brave New World". Hold on sir, show us your Certificate of Conformity!:)
Do you think a car with sharpened spikes on the front (a la Mad Max) should be allowed to drive around crowded cities? After all, some drivers might want to do that to make a statement; free speech and all that. How about cars without brakes? (Because, let's face it, they're expensive.) Or cars without brake lights?
 
Just in case any of you merican members aren't yet pissed enough to march or burn effigies, maybe this will help...


This is beyond stupid. This will bring harm and degradation to some of America's most beautiful and sacred (yes, an agnostic is using that word) wild lands, and it will also make fighting wildfires more difficult and dangerous in some locations.

As a hiker and nature lover, I would rant on about this for a while, but I'm realizing I'm gonna have to pace myself under the current....regime.
 
As a hiker and nature lover, I would rant on about this for a while, but I'm realizing I'm gonna have to pace myself under the current....regime.
Those areas have to pay their way... Drill, baby, drill. Or, Golf course?

"The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But lets the greater felon loose
Who steals the common from the goose."
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I assume it's the equivalent to our State Inspection.

Ironically (or not) Gregg Abbot has announced that Texas is doing away with State Inspections.
Good point. In the US of course you have state level rules as well as federal ones. Easy for us in Europe to forget that. In fact, it may turn out that this is the best way to put the brakes on the Republican coup, now in progress. Some states will embrace the new regime but others may not.
 
Those areas have to pay their way... Drill, baby, drill. Or, Golf course?

"The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common,
But lets the greater felon loose
Who steals the common from the goose."
"Steal a little and they throw you in jail.
Steal a lot and they make you king."
 
That sounds like something out of "1984" or "Brave New World". Hold on sir, show us your Certificate of Conformity!:)

The Tesla truck is ugly. I'm not sure it should be banned due to nonconformity.
Well, we couldn't ban it for its looks. That would be too unwoke of us. ;)

Instead, we made up some ridiculous bureaucratic nonsense like requiring that it conforms to our regulations to be allowed on our roads. It doesn't pass muster, btw. Too dangerous to other road users, for example (front end is too upright, making it more dangerous to pedestrians than regulations allow; there are no side indicator lights; and the edges are too sharp, to name just three failings, apparently).

Interestingly, the EPA also issue Certificates of Conformity to US car manufacturers to certify that the vehicles they produce pass the necessary EPA requirements in the US. https://www.epa.gov/importing-vehic...icate-conformity-light-duty-vehicle-car-truck
So the language, meaning, and purpose isn't even unique to this side of the great-blue-divide. ;)
 
Well, we couldn't ban it for its looks. That would be too unwoke of us. ;)

Instead, we made up some ridiculous bureaucratic nonsense like requiring that it conforms to our regulations to be allowed on our roads. It doesn't pass muster, btw. Too dangerous to other road users, for example (front end is too upright, making it more dangerous to pedestrians than regulations allow; there are no side indicator lights; and the edges are too sharp, to name just three failings, apparently).

Interestingly, the EPA also issue Certificates of Conformity to US car manufacturers to certify that the vehicles they produce pass the necessary EPA requirements in the US. https://www.epa.gov/importing-vehic...icate-conformity-light-duty-vehicle-car-truck
So the language, meaning, and purpose isn't even unique to this side of the great-blue-divide. ;)
It also weighs 3 tonnes and can get to 60mph in 3 secs. And it does not have a crumple zone, relying instead on a very strong alloy, plus presumably the slower deceleration rate you get due to its huge mass to protect the occupants from shock. That means it's the other guy who takes it and gets utterly mashed.
 
Do you think a car with sharpened spikes on the front (a la Mad Max) should be allowed to drive around crowded cities? After all, some drivers might want to do that to make a statement; free speech and all that. How about cars without brakes? (Because, let's face it, they're expensive.) Or cars without brake lights?
No, of course not. Do you not see any humor in Certificate of Conformity? Do you do humor?
 
Good point. In the US of course you have state level rules as well as federal ones. Easy for us in Europe to forget that. In fact, it may turn out that this is the best way to put the brakes on the Republican coup, now in progress. Some states will embrace the new regime but others may not.
Yeah, but these states are all right next to each other! The thing about all these states rights people, and those who prioritize the states over the federal government, is that we've been seeing the consequences for allowing such "variety" for the past two hundred years. No matter what aspect you consider, the differences are astonishing--like the quality of a public high school education in Mississippi as compared with, say, Massachusetts. The qualitative differences are not subtle in the least. Even more shocking are matters like abortion and environmental regulations. "Funnily", the states which "officially" do not even acknowledge the existence of climate change, such as Florida, seem to receive the lion's share of federal funding due to obvious and inevitable catastrophes resulting as a consequence of such--and they don't seem to complain about receiving this hypocritical and bogus funding.
 
Yeah, but these states are all right next to each other! The thing about all these states rights people, and those who prioritize the states over the federal government, is that we've been seeing the consequences for allowing such "variety" for the past two hundred years. No matter what aspect you consider, the differences are astonishing--like the quality of a public high school education in Mississippi as compared with, say, Massachusetts. The qualitative differences are not subtle in the least. Even more shocking are matters like abortion and environmental regulations. "Funnily", the states which "officially" do not even acknowledge the existence of climate change, such as Florida, seem to receive the lion's share of federal funding due to obvious and inevitable catastrophes resulting as a consequence of such--and they don't seem to complain about receiving this hypocritical and bogus funding.
Sure. But what I had in mind was things like the dismantling of safety and environmental standards, the drive for green energy, educational policy etc. My understanding is quite a bit of this is in state level hands, so the federal government's power to stop things is limited.
 
Sure. But what I had in mind was things like the dismantling of safety and environmental standards, the drive for green energy, educational policy etc. My understanding is quite a bit of this is in state level hands, so the federal government's power to stop things is limited.
Yes, but it works both ways, of course--as we saw with Roe v Wade a couple of years back. States like Florida and Arizona will not hesitate in following suit when it comes to dismantling whatever lax standards they've presently got. Honestly, it's presently so overwhelming--and across the board--that it's hard to say which areas are most concerning. Personally, off the top of my head, I'd say matters of education, environment and worker safety standards are most pressing, but even as I write this, a bunch of other matters pop into my head.
 
It also weighs 3 tonnes and can get to 60mph in 3 secs. And it does not have a crumple zone, relying instead on a very strong alloy, plus presumably the slower deceleration rate you get due to its huge mass to protect the occupants from shock. That means it's the other guy who takes it and gets utterly mashed.
It does have a crumple zone, though. That much has been debunked. Now, whether that zone conforms to the requirements of UK/EU is a different matter, but if you see photos of cybertruck crashes, the front is quite capable of crumpling sufficiently to protect the occupant. Whether sufficiently to also help protect whatever you've crashed into, I don't know.
 
Re: Musk and IQ and all that:

First off, fuck me for talking about IQ in the first place and not declaring the usual caveats: IQ is largely meaningless bullshit.

With that out of the way, it's not so much that Musk isn't "brilliant" or a freakin "genius", but rather that there's hardly even any indication that he's even slightly clever-ish (above 115), and he's certainly not slightly more clever-ish (above 130). Yeah, he got a physics degree--BFD! Any idiot--and I'm using that term loosely here, I really just mean an average person (85 - 115)--can get a physics degree or be a doctor or a lawyer. I've met/known plenty of them. Musk is a guy who probably can't even complete a Monday NYT crossword puzzle.*

It's just weird, is all.

* Note to non-American readers: The NYT crossword puzzle gets progressively more difficult over the course of a week. Monday through Friday aren't exactly cake, but I can usually complete them with relative ease. Saturday is pretty rough and Sunday is very rough--I tend to lose my shit over that one.
 
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No, of course not. Do you not see any humor in Certificate of Conformity?
Not as such; doesn't seem that unusual or bizarre to me. The airplanes I rent all have a Certificate of Airworthiness, the parachutes I use have a packing data card that includes the certification standard the rig was built to, and the EV batteries I use often have a Certificate of Conformance. (Whether _all_ EV batteries should have one is currently an issue of much discussion.) So it's just part of my day to day life.
Do you do humor?
Of course not! I am above such things.
 
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