UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[DaveC426913]

Oh fuck'n well. It is what it is--one more among many accounts of ufos/uaps spotted by military personal:

No it isn't. It's an account by a 79 year old lady, about something someone else may (or may not) have told her, that she may or may not remember correctly. Not only is it utter hearsay, but it contains its own admission of unreliability (having forgotten possibly the most critical element of the account: its location).

And this, by the way is why the tactic of "sheer numbers" hurts UFology more than it helps it. You have blown apart any argument you may have had about "among many accounts" or the like.

You, MR, are eroding the credibility of the field by casting a net so wide you're even willing to support hearsay from non-witnesses.

So if you are frustrated with why so many people are skeptical of UFOS and suspicious of the supposed credibility of accounts, you will find at least part of the answer in the mirror.

 

[Magical Realist]

No it isn't. It's an account by a 79 year old lady, about something someone else may (or may not) have told her, that she may or may not remember correctly. Not only is it utter hearsay, but it contains its own admission of unreliability (having forgotten possibly the most critical element of the account: its location).

And this, by the way is why the tactic of "sheer numbers" hurts UFology more than it helps it. You have blown apart any argument you may have had about "among many accounts" or the like.

You, MR, are eroding the credibility of the field by casting a net so wide you're even willing to support hearsay from non-witnesses.

So if you are frustrated with why so many people are skeptical of UFOS and suspicious of the supposed credibility of accounts, you will find at least part of the answer in the mirror.

Heh heh...I can always tell when I've hit a sore spot when they start to make it personal.

 

[DaveC426913]

He heh...I can always tell when I've hit a sore spot when they make it personal.

So, no challenge of the facts stated. No challenge of the fact that you are adding negative value to the hobby. Prudent.

 

[Q-reeus]

This one is basically just talking heads but the talk is very high quality (very unlike the shit endlessly regurgitated here by a few 'debunkers') and nails how the Pentagon has been forced into disclosure mode by a few brave and persistent folks:

Because any official disclosure is totally at odds with US military culture, one should not expect the promised upcoming June event to amount to much new. And in fact will probably be designed to disappoint and emphasize doubt wherever possible. Basically, the Pentagon's attitude is at one with the debunker brigade here. Soul mates on the Dark Side.

 

[Magical Realist]

Another ufo caught on camera submerging into the ocean near Puerto Rico. Notice the object does not slow down as it enters the water nor is there much splashing of water around the object. Source: https://www.wwlp.com/news/what-flie...lly-investigating-the-aguadilla-ufo-incident/

 

[Q-reeus]

Another ufo caught on camera submerging into the ocean near Puerto Rico. Notice the object does not slow down as it enters the water nor is there much splashing of water around the object. Source: https://www.wwlp.com/news/what-flie...lly-investigating-the-aguadilla-ufo-incident/

Nice capture - first ever water skimming event caught on video - by Homeland Security personnel evidently:
https://www.explorescu.org/post/2013-aguadilla-puerto-rico-uap-incident-report-a-detailed-analysis
One commenter speculates the UAP is using camouflage tech to just appear to be water skimming. At any rate it's not a drone or bird or meteor or Venus or an inversion layer optical trick or......etc. etc.

 

[DaveC426913]

Another ufo caught on camera submerging into the ocean near Puerto Rico.

What is your opinion on whether this latest account is more or less compelling than the account of the 79 year old woman who was told a story by her friend about UFOS which she then forgot.

I'm simply seeking to help members determine whether this latest offering of yours is worth their time.

 

[Magical Realist]

What is your opinion on whether this latest account is more or less compelling than the account of the 79 year old woman who was told a story by her friend about UFOS which she then forgot.

I'm simply seeking to help members determine whether this latest offering of yours is worth their time.

I think people here are smart enough to judge that for themselves.

 

[DaveC426913]

I think people here are smart enough to judge that for themselves.

If the 79 year old lady who was told a story clears your bar for value, then you might as well be posting cat videos.

Thus, there is absolutely some useful public service in pre- rating the quality of anything you post in a bid to save users wasting time.

So: in your opinion, is post 4725 greater or lesser quality than the 79 year old recipient of a story she was told?

 

[Bells]

Nice capture - first ever water skimming event caught on video - by Homeland Security personnel evidently:
https://www.explorescu.org/post/2013-aguadilla-puerto-rico-uap-incident-report-a-detailed-analysis
One commenter speculates the UAP is using camouflage tech to just appear to be water skimming. At any rate it's not a drone or bird or meteor or Venus or an inversion layer optical trick or......etc. etc.

 

[Magical Realist]

So there's a difference between high definition telescopic cameras and FLIR infrared cameras?

 

[Bells]

So there's a difference between high definition telescopic cameras and FLIR infrared cameras?

Have you ever looked at the quality of images from gun cameras?

From 2019: https://mobile.twitter.com/chuckpfarrer/status/1180910108689043457

From WWII: https://slate.com/human-interest/20...wii-gun-cameras-capture-raids-on-germany.html

Pretty cool, yes?

Now look at their images and footage of UFO's..



And compare.

I know.. I know, you will come out with some snarky excuse. But the pictures speakfor themselves..



Or better yet.. The film footage speaks for itself..



So, unless the UFO is the size of a size 8 Nike sneaker, which given today's technology, would probably be fairly detailed in regards to imagery anyway, there is zero explanation for the quality of the footage released by the military.

Pretty cool recruitment strategy though!

 

[Q-reeus]

You skeptics keep ignoring there is unanimous agreement among naval personnel involved in the 2004 USS Nimitz incident(s) and 2015 USS Eisenhower incidents that publicly released videos have all been deliberately degraded in quality. Which is entirely in keeping with military paranoia about giving away their true capabilities to potential adversaries. Ditto for your following #4732. Get over that fact of life.

 

[sculptor]

Kean?

 

[Q-reeus]

Kean?

I'm guessing here, but that expansive detailed post is in some mysterious way channeling Leslie Kean?:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elec...ut-what-to-tell-people-about-ufos/vi-BB1gSYjm

 

[Bells]

Which is entirely in keeping with military paranoia about giving away their true capabilities to potential adversaries.

Mm hmm..

As I noted above, it's a pretty good recruitment tool for the Pentagon in regards to recruiting..

Not to mention the potential to increase the defense force budget over the coming years, with the withdrawal from conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.. Interesting how this is now being termed along the lines of national security by the US.

Hey.. Maybe the increase in funding will result in better cameras fitted to planes..

 

[Q-reeus]

Mm hmm..

As I noted above, it's a pretty good recruitment tool for the Pentagon in regards to recruiting..

Not to mention the potential to increase the defense force budget over the coming years, with the withdrawal from conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.. Interesting how this is now being termed along the lines of national security by the US.

Hey.. Maybe the increase in funding will result in better cameras fitted to planes..

Re excuses for endlessly jacking up the insanely costly US 'defense' budget - check the top notch commentary on that towards end of segment linked to in #4704 oops #4724
Re 'affording better cameras' - that just ignores the import of #4733 - the current crop of cameras (and radar/sonar/lidar) (aside from trained personnel visual testimonies), already have excellent resolution. The Pentagon doesn't want that on public display.

 

[sculptor]

I'm guessing here, but that expansive detailed post is in some mysterious way channeling Leslie Kean?:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elec...ut-what-to-tell-people-about-ufos/vi-BB1gSYjm

Yeh
good guess
There was a long article about her and her book in the new yorker magazine last week
ufo---uap

 

[sculptor]

I'm guessing here, but that expansive detailed post is in some mysterious way channeling Leslie Kean?:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elec...ut-what-to-tell-people-about-ufos/vi-BB1gSYjm

OK even more clarification
the reason for the question mark after Kean
was that I was curious about:
what do you think about
her?
her book?
and
the upcoming movie based on her book?

 

[Q-reeus]

OK even more clarification
the reason for the question mark after Kean
was that I was curious about:
what do you think about
her?
her book?
and
the upcoming movie based on her book?

Knew of her only via comments on her investigative work at various sites but have yet to read her 2011 magnum opus. Fairly cheap as a Kindle at Amazon so might take the plunge soon.
Reviews/opinions are on display at:
https://drmsh.com/review-leslie-keans-ufos/
https://www.survivingdeathkean.com/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036S4C66/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0
Generally very upbeat but of course there will be an enthusiast bias as mostly is the case.