George Floyd trial,could you make a case for the defendant not being guilty of the charges?
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This can't be good news for Cauvin. Biden said that he is praying that Cauvin will be found guilty. This must be the work of the Lord.
Yea, quick verdicts are usually not good for defendants. I hadn’t heard Biden’s comments today. Lol
So when the paramedic said they couldn't find a pulse, Chauvin was unaware that that meant he was dead? Unlikely, unless you postulate that Chauvin has mental issues that render him unable to understand simple relationships like that. No reasonable person would hear that someone didn't have a pulse and think they were OK.
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Yep, so either he isn't reasonable or he was preoccupied. I think this happened because the rooky cops couldn't handle the Floyd arrest so Chauvin was brought in and was focused on taking control of the situation knowing that the rookie cops weren't going to be much help. He had to focus on the crowd as well.
He made a mistake. It looks like he will be punished but the other Minnesota cops shooting that made the news (and got 3 degree murder) was worse IMO and should have gotten more than that IMO.
That cop shot the woman (who called the cops) who was in her bathrobe as she came up to the cop car because he was startled and afraid. The call was for a possible sexual assault in an alley.
This one IMO was just unfortunate, a mistake, you should lose your job but you probably don't need to go to prison.
Thus Spoke
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Derek Chauvin found guilty on all counts.
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I figured the 2nd degree manslaughter was probable and when they came back with a verdict so quickly it wasn't too surprising that they convicted him of 3rd degree murder.
I was surprised at the 2nd degree murder conviction. Even the cop who shot the lady who called them only got 3rd degree murder (in the same jurisdiction)
The maximum possible sentence for 2nd degree murder is 40 years. Sammy The Bull Gravano (sp) is out of prison but a cop who didn't intend to kill someone could get 40 years (not likely of course) is pretty bizarre.
I don't think prison sentences should be used for political purposes but it does indirectly express the will of the people. I get that people are tired of the way that the police react. You would think that would be changed through police reform but if they don't do it voluntarily, longer prison sentences should do the trick so in that sense it will be interesting to see if the conviction rates and sentences start to go up for cops in these circumstances in other cases. I'm sure the other cops involved in this case will be pleading before their trial begins.
The verdict in this case would be a good thing if it starts to change the system. I don't like to be around cops knowing that they could shoot me (by accident or willingly) and probably get away with it.
I wouldn't like to see the judge overreact and throw the book at Chauvin. The more reasonable the judge is the less likely there will be anything to overturn on appeal. I like the judge in this case so I'm sure he will be measured in the sentencing.
Maybe the police can start without putting 30 bullets into crazy, homeless people who wave a knife at the police. That would be a good start.
I was surprised at the 2nd degree murder conviction. Even the cop who shot the lady who called them only got 3rd degree murder (in the same jurisdiction)
The maximum possible sentence for 2nd degree murder is 40 years. Sammy The Bull Gravano (sp) is out of prison but a cop who didn't intend to kill someone could get 40 years (not likely of course) is pretty bizarre.
I don't think prison sentences should be used for political purposes but it does indirectly express the will of the people. I get that people are tired of the way that the police react. You would think that would be changed through police reform but if they don't do it voluntarily, longer prison sentences should do the trick so in that sense it will be interesting to see if the conviction rates and sentences start to go up for cops in these circumstances in other cases. I'm sure the other cops involved in this case will be pleading before their trial begins.
The verdict in this case would be a good thing if it starts to change the system. I don't like to be around cops knowing that they could shoot me (by accident or willingly) and probably get away with it.
I wouldn't like to see the judge overreact and throw the book at Chauvin. The more reasonable the judge is the less likely there will be anything to overturn on appeal. I like the judge in this case so I'm sure he will be measured in the sentencing.
Maybe the police can start without putting 30 bullets into crazy, homeless people who wave a knife at the police. That would be a good start.
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When you think about it, the verdict and justice for Floyd wouldn’t have been possible if not for the bystanders recording all that was happening.
In other news, a lot of upset people on Twitter claiming that Chauvin will appeal and eventually the Supreme Court will overturn the verdict. (They’re claiming Chauvin didn’t receive a fair trial)
In other news, a lot of upset people on Twitter claiming that Chauvin will appeal and eventually the Supreme Court will overturn the verdict. (They’re claiming Chauvin didn’t receive a fair trial)
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Seattle
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I think the long 16 minute video was police body cams wasn't it?
I do agree that the public seeing what was going on during those last 9 minutes played a large role but it was all on body cam video so the real issue is just making sure that body cams can't be turned off or edited and making sure that it actually gets released.
It was also "bad luck" that there weren't more experienced officers around (other than Chauvin). If just one had told Chauvin to "get off him now" or "let's just sit him up" then no of this would have happened.
Chauvin had too much "power" for his own good.
I was in international banking. You could do a lot of things if you were "crooked" but there are enough systems in place that you would ultimately get caught. You can move millions of dollars around and if you are there long enough you could figure out how to moves millions to an account in another country, fly to that country over the weekend and withdraw that money and maybe continue on to another country with favorable laws.
The FBI would get you eventually however. The bank tries to hire people they can trust and then have enough systems in place where you couldn't get into too much trouble even if you weren't trustworthy. The more you know the more you could get away with but you would eventually be caught.
Past a certain level of responsibility you have to take a full 2 weeks of vacation at one time (even if you have 3 weeks or even if you just want to take a few days at a time). This is so that you could be audited while you are gone.
All this for money. Cops have authority and guns and yet they have much less training and can do much more harm. That's what needs to change.
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The general public saw the videos from the bystanders when they went viral, long before the trial. The body cam footage wouldn’t have been viewed by the general public unless there was a trial or some type of court proceeding.
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We shall see . The Supreme Court should find the evidence against Chauvin , can stand on its own .
I would think so, river.
Some on Twitter claiming Chauvin didn’t get a fair trial. There’s a lot of support for Chauvin out there and many feel he was “railroaded.” I think the jury should have been sequestered, but I don’t believe they were part of a conspiracy to “railroad” Chauvin. The evidence lined up with the charges.
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I don't think he was railroaded. I think he got a more serious charge than some others and people are just tired of cop overreach and he might have paid part of that price but I don't think the verdict is "unfair". It is what it is.
Agree, I think it was a just verdict but based on the evidence.
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It's like night and day....
I intended to keep out of this one, but a nagging conscience got the better of me. Not saying the following was necessarily directly related to the case in question, but it may well have. Given the essentially total political control a certain interest group has, this key factor in increased US police overreach will likely never come out in the US MSM:
https://israelpalestinenews.org/min...-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israelis-training-us-police-on-large-scale-amnesty/ar-BB14S1z9
https://israelpalestinenews.org/min...-police-who-often-use-knee-on-neck-restraint/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israelis-training-us-police-on-large-scale-amnesty/ar-BB14S1z9
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Thus Spoke
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I think that the cause of death was an overdose.