Greatest I Am's anti-religion thread

[exchemist]

That's perhaps the most evil post that I have ever seen here on Stupidforums, and believe me, that's saying something.

Then report me with a request for a ban, you humourless git.

 

[Kittamaru]

Well, you were certainly right to move all the ranting to one place! With a bit of luck he'll have a stroke and then we'll be left in peace.

Okay... seriously, not OK exchemist. I missed it earlier, but saying you hope someone has a stroke is not acceptable.

Then report me with a request for a ban, you humourless git.

I would advise to let the matter drop at this point...

 

[Greatest I am]

The fact that you still continue to claim this, yet fail so spectacularly to support it (or even understand your own claim) is adorable. Run along little 'un.

So you think I have to support the notion of Noa's flodd or that God sent his son to die. How droll.

- you have admitted repeatedly that you aren't actually here for discussion, but to profess your own superiority.

Now you are just resorting to lies.

I don't have the patience to deal with stupid bullshit,

??

Yet that is all you spew.

Regards
DL

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Your "superior morality" is as fake and full of holes as your so-called religion.

Good pont... an at least you an me have real religions -- an i thank my morality is superior to his... hell... i thank my morality is as good as or superior to anybodies ive ever herd of... an im sure that you thank you're morality is superior to GIa also... eh... so whare does he get off wit the atitude that he has superior morals

I think containing your spew to one thread is quite generous, rather than shit-canning it all and issuing infraction points, as would be in accord with a strict adherence to the rules you agreed to when you signed up for SciForums.

Yes YES... proof is in the puddin... you are as kind as you are fair an just... much like in Holey-Bible stories.!!!

...you are right - I would make a poo apologist.

An much like the Jesus-God-myth attained... the humility you just displayed is alredy legendary.!!!

 

[billvon]

... so whare does he get off wit the atitude that he has superior morals !

It is a defining feature among religious extremists. "Only I see the golden path! Everyone else is a clueless, evil heretic, part of the Great Satan."

 

[cluelusshusbund]

dupe...

 

[cluelusshusbund]

It is a defining feature among religious extremists. "Only I see the golden path! Everyone else is a clueless, evil heretic, part of the Great Satan."

Yes... thats why my religion beleives that our morals are superior to none.!!!

 

[Greatest I am]

It is a defining feature among religious extremists. "Only I see the golden path! Everyone else is a clueless, evil heretic, part of the Great Satan."

True, but unlike our friend, I show the immorality that he has and follows while he runs from showing me mine.

Those who do not discus and debate honestly, our friend, are showing just what they are.

Regards
DL

Yes... thats why my religion beleives that our morals are superior to none.!!!

Yet what you show is superior to our mutual friends.

Regards
DL

 

[Kittamaru]

Hmm, quite...

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[Yazata]

Let me list a couple real quick:

1) That your ideology is somehow "uncorrupted" and that all others are.

even though you make the exact same claim as the "intolerant religions" you claim to hate - that "your way" is the "only good way".

2) Your claim that you are equal or even above Jesus Christ:

That only sounds blasphemous to Christian ears.

2.5) Your claim that most of mankind is "above God":

I believe that I'm morally superior to the Old Testament God and I don't think that it's appropriate for people to worship their moral inferiors as "Lord". That's non-negotiable. Assuming that I believed in that being's existence, which I don't.

Regarding Jesus, he may have been an extraordinary moral sage, judging from the gospels. But his continuing adherence to the Judaism of his time created serious problems for the consistency of his message.

I think that it might help to understand where GIA is coming from if we read him as a modern-day proponent of ancient Marcionism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

This was an early Christian 'heresy' that accepted Jesus, but rejected the God of the Old Testament. The idea was that the OT God was really the devil, and this fallen world really was something very much like hell, but the real higher God, the God of Love as opposed to the god of death and hate, took pity on us and out of compassion sent down Jesus to this awful place to aid us.

Also, Christian Scripture does not, in fact, say God will "kill all in hell" - it ACTUALLY says, repeatedly, that we have to do quite little to be with God in heaven:
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 10:9 - Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

There are many, many more references to this.

Understanding what those three passages mean and what they are asking us to do will require a lot of theological work. What does "believe in him" mean? (I believe that a human being, an itinerant preacher named Jesus, probably existed.) But I don't acknowledge him as "Lord" (whatever that means) or believe that he rose from the dead. (That belief is at least as unlikely as any of MR's beliefs in my opinion.) And I'm not sure what being "saved through faith" means. 'Saved' from what? And what exactly is 'faith'? (I have expressed my ideas on that in the other thread.)

All in all, I think that the result of unpacking these three little sentences will be to reveal that a great deal is being demanded of us.

3) Your claim that you are in a position to tell an Almighty God what is "right and wrong" based on your mortal morality:

What other choice do we have as human beings? The alternative would seem to be to adopt some heavenly 'Fuhrer Prinzep' and believe that everything God says is good simply because he says it.

That's essentially the Euthyphro dilemma from Plato: Do the gods favor x because x is good, or is x "good" because the gods favor it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

Given that God is strangely silent, choosing the latter horn of the dilemma would put a tremendous amount of power into the hands of those humans who purport to be God's mouthpieces. (That's another one of GIA's points I think.)

4) When you cannot defend your (admittedly untenable) position, you resort to disengaging from the conversation, claiming the one besting you is "wasting your time":

When discussions are going nowhere and are becoming unnecessarily heated, stepping away from them is often the best thing to do.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

...my religion beleives that our morals are superior to none.!!!

Yet what you show is superior to our mutual friends.

Bestin that frinds morals is a low bar to hurdle

 

[Kittamaru]

That only sounds blasphemous to Christian ears.

Gonna stop right there - if you can say with a straight face that you think a person can honestly believe that they are morally superior to everyone else, and that is somehow only blasphemous to Christians... then I think I know a few dozen folks of assorted Pagan sects, as well as a number of Atheists, that would be shocked to learn they must suddenly have become Christian...

Bestin that frinds morals is a low bar to hurdle

*shrug* you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, just as others are entitled to dismiss it

 

[billvon]

True, but unlike our friend, I show the immorality that he has and follows while he runs from showing me mine.

Your immorality springs from your rabid intolerance and hatred of anyone who does not follow your religion.

 

[Magical Realist]

I thought starting threads about members was a bannable offense.

 

[Kittamaru]

I thought starting threads about members was a bannable offense.

So you want to ban GIA for starting threads proclaiming how great he is, then? I'm not sure I follow...

 

[Yazata]

Gonna stop right there - if you can say with a straight face that you think a person can honestly believe that they are morally superior to everyone else

I was replying to this:

"2) Your claim that you are equal or even above Jesus Christ:"

That doesn't imply that somebody thinks that they are morally superior to everyone else, unless one already believes that Jesus Christ is morally superior to everyone else. I don't accept that hidden premise.

I consider myself the equal of Jesus in our essential humanity. (I don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a human being. Certainly not a god.) I clearly have better understanding of the history of natural science and some areas of philosophy than Jesus. And unlike Jesus, I'm not committed to having to defend the truth of Old Testament tradition, including nasty things like 1 Samuel 15 that create huge consistency problems for his otherwise extraordinary ethical message.

 

[Kittamaru]

I was replying to this:

"2) Your claim that you are equal or even above Jesus Christ:"

That doesn't imply that somebody thinks that they are morally superior to everyone else, unless one already believes that Jesus Christ is morally superior to everyone else. I don't accept that hidden premise.

I consider myself the equal of Jesus Christ in our essential humanity. (I don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a human being. Certainly not a god.) I certainly have better understanding of science and philosophy than Jesus. And unlike Jesus, I'm not committed to having to defend the truth of Old Testament tradition, including things like 1 Samuel 15 that create huge consistency problems for his otherwise extraordinary ethical message.

Ok, fair enough then - I thought you were lumping point 1 in with it as well.

 

[gmilam]

I think we have officially hit the point where this is no longer even an attempt at religious discussion, and can call this what it is - alternative theory at best, occult at worst.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/occult

Sounds like most religions fall under the heading of "occult". At least any with a supernatural component do. That would include the three major Abrahamic religions.

 

[Kittamaru]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/occult

Sounds like most religions fall under the heading of "occult". At least any with a supernatural component do. That would include the three major Abrahamic religions.

Interestingly enough, that would put it at odds with Brittanica's explanation:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/occultism
particularly:

Some anthropologists have argued that it is not possible to make a clear-cut distinction between magic—a principal component of occultism—and religion, and this may well be true of the religious systems of some nonliterate societies. The argument does not hold, however, for any of the major religions, which regard both natural and moral law as immutable.

Those aspects of occultism that appear to be common to all human societies—divination, magic, witchcraft, and alchemy—are treated in depth below. Features that are unique to Western cultures, and the history of their development, are treated only briefly.

 

[cluelusshusbund]

I thought starting threads about members was a bannable offense.

Good pont but i dont thank that applies to mods... an besides... i dont want Kitta baned... he unintentionally adds comedy to the forum