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Magical Realist said:
As Einstein's fame within the scientific community grew, offers for new, better positions began to pour in. Within only a few years, Einstein worked at the University of Zurich (Switzerland), then the German University in Prague (Czech Republic), and then back to Zurich for the Polytechnic Institute."
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:) Einstein did have the necessary "learning" and subsequently his "Annulus Miraculus"[excuse my latin] and the four excellent papers that changed the course of physics in that year.
At any rate, Einstein I'm sure you'll agree was a notable exception, rather then the rule.
And I'm sure you'll also agree that this forum does not have any other exceptions to the rule.
 
Who knows Paddoboy... the next great idea could be locked up inside the brain of someone who is constantly being told they are wrong or stupid or being taught not to speak unless spoken to... how sad would that be?
 
Magical Realist said:
How would we know one if he/she arrived here?
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By his or her aligning with the scientific method and peer review.
I mean really...If someone had something, something quite extraordinary, would they come here for review? :)
And my contention that any worthwhile discovery, cosmological/SR/GR wise, will almost certainly be from mainstream.
I mean does undefined, Farsight, chinglu, or whoever, have any access to the SKA, any other Earth bound'scopes, space Satellites, probes such as Kepler, Spitzser, Planck etc etc?
 
paddoboy said:
By his or her aligning with the scientific method and peer review.
I mean really...If someone had something, something quite extraordinary, would they come here for review? :)
And my contention that any worthwhile discovery, cosmological/SR/GR wise, will almost certainly be from mainstream.
I mean does undefined, Farsight, chinglu, or whoever, have any access to the SKA, any other Earth bound'scopes, space Satellites, probes such as Kepler, Spitzser, Planck etc etc?
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Maybe so. Everything in its time. Would Einstein's theories have been accepted in Newton's days? No way! Revolution must ingress softly and seductively, or not at all!
 
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In reply to AIP's this thread, re: post #57.

Einstein was NOT a "degreed? professor of physics" while working at the patent office in Bern (this was considered a rather prestigious position at the time, as there was still a Monarch

as "head of state"...one served such an appointment by the "grace of his majesty" officially. This was a government appointment, not remotely "lowly" at that point in history)


A.E. had already matriculated from, as he called, the Zurich Polytechnic...he would have been considered on a par with a civil engineer in terms of academic accomplishment.

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source; "Einstein" his Life and Universe...by Walter Isaacson, 2007.



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In reply to paddoboy, re: your # 63 post.

A.E. didn't seem to need more than his mind, a pencil, and scraps of paper to "figure things out!"

No "technology" there...he didn't need it to formulate GR.
 
A.E. had already matriculated from, as he called, the Zurich Polytechnic...he would have been considered on a par with a civil engineer in terms of academic accomplishment.
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But certainly NOT a degreed professor. You understand the difference between a student and a professor don't you?
 
Magical Realist said:
Maybe so. Everything in its time. Would Einstein's theories have been accepted in Newton's days. No way! Revolution must ingress softly and seductively, or not at all!
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Einstein's work and research entailed much of greats before him also, Planck, Fitzgerald, Lorentz, Maxwell and probably a few others....He sort of put 2+ 2+ 2+ 2 together and achieved what he did.
That's how science works, natural progression and standing on the shoulders of giants.

Or as Arthur C Clarke said, "any sufficiently advanced civilisation, would appear as magic"
How would such now days accepted common place items like a mobile phone or radio, be viewed on say "HM Bark Endeavour" and Captain James Cook?
 
Magical Realist said:
Maybe so. Everything in its time. Would Einstein's theories have been accepted in Newton's days. No way! Revolution must ingress softly and seductively, or not at all!
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Gerry Nightingale said:
In reply to paddoboy, re: your # 63 post.

A.E. didn't seem to need more than his mind, a pencil, and scraps of paper to "figure things out!"

No "technology" there...he didn't need it to formulate GR.
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The point is, as I have been trying to make, it would have been impossible for Einstein to come up with what he did in Newton's days.....
Simply because the shoulders of those giants in between those ages, that helped progress science onwards, would have been missing......The technological instrumentation to view and interpret the "advance of the perihelion of Mercury" to show Newton's gravity laws did have limitations would not have been known.

Again, science is a progress of learning and standing on those giant shoulders....some though stand on tippy toe and see further. Even Newton saw that advantage and was the first to use the quote.
 
In reply to Magical Realist, re: A.E. post.

Did you read what I wrote? This was in response to another "poster" who stated that A.E. WAS ALREADY a "professor of physics" while working in Bern. (He was NOT)

You know how to "read", yes?

The "professor?" was meant to indicate NO, or very questionable.
 
In reply to paddoboy, re: your #69 post.

Einstein put "2+2+2" and arrived at GR? paddo, you disappoint me with this!

I give you credit for your thinking...but A.E. was a Titan among the Giants of history...his logic and reason are unsurpassed by anyone before or since.

Einstein was a magnificent intellect combined with an insatiable curious nature of needing to know the "Why" more than the "How" of things.

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Anyone can learn the "how" of things, such as "how does gravity make things move in a predictable manner?" (Newton and Kepler)

Einstein wanted to know "what is gravity?" Why does it exist? What is the causation?

(there were no answers prior to A.E.'s works)


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Kittamaru said:
Who knows Paddoboy... the next great idea could be locked up inside the brain of someone who is constantly being told they are wrong or stupid or being taught not to speak unless spoken to... how sad would that be?
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Possibly...a non zero chance, sure. My reasoning is that the data and observations taking us forward today, are only available through technologically state of the art equipment, Satellites ''scopes and probes.
And these are only available to the upper echelon of mainstream physics and cosmology.
 
Gerry Nightingale said:
In reply to paddoboy, re: your #69 post.

Einstein put "2+2+2" and arrived at GR? paddo, you disappoint me with this!

I give you credit for your thinking...but A.E. was a Titan among the Giants of history...his logic and reason are unsurpassed by anyone before or since.

Einstein was a magnificent intellect combined with an insatiable curious nature of needing to know the "Why" more than the "How" of things.

.....

Anyone can learn the "how" of things, such as "how does gravity make things move in a predictable manner?" (Newton and Kepler)

Einstein wanted to know "what is gravity?" Why does it exist? What is the causation?

(there were no answers prior to A.E.'s works)


(Thanks for reading!)
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No one needs to sing Einstein's praises to me....
Let's get a couple of things straight...I was speaking of his "Annulus Miraculus" in 1905 [please excuse my Latin] and in that respect, he put 2+2+2+2 together, taking into account the works of other giants as mentioned.

And with GR, he was also getting his maths checked out by Godel and having discussions with others such as David Hilbert.
Einstein was much lauded and deservedly so.....and he was also humble and gave credit to those that I have mentioned.
It was a period, [late 1800's, early 1900's] of many greats that most would be aware of.

And yes, he certainly gave us a more realistic picture of gravity, being that which was evident when matter/energy warped spacetime.
But as yet, we still don't know why this happens.
 
Kittamaru said:
Who knows Paddoboy... the next great idea could be locked up inside the brain of someone who is constantly being told they are wrong or stupid or being taught not to speak unless spoken to... how sad would that be?
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It would be sad -- but what relevance does that have to this discussion?
 
Gerry Nightingale said:
In reply to Magical Realist, re: A.E. post.

Did you read what I wrote? This was in response to another "poster" who stated that A.E. WAS ALREADY a "professor of physics" while working in Bern. (He was NOT)

You know how to "read", yes?

The "professor?" was meant to indicate NO, or very questionable.
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You're absolutely right. My bad. 6 empty cans of Mike's Harder Lemonade and 12 hours of sleep later, your post is a lot clearer now!
 
Other great scientists with lowly beginnings:

Michael Faraday worked in a printer's shop!

Edward Norton Lorenz, father of chaos theory, was a meteorologist.

Charles Darwin dropped out of med school to become a parson!

Copernicus was a monk, as was Mendel.

Ramanujan was poorly educated.

William Herschel was a musician.


Others?
 
i love it when i see srinivasa ramanujan name.
no one ever mentions him or even has a clue to his existence,
let alone his work.
 
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