A plea
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Enmos
Valued Senior Member
About voting.
Democracy is often criticised as not being ideal as a political system. I would be the first to agree that this might indeed be the case but I do recognise that there is little, if anything, in this world that is perfect.
Whatever the case 'for or against' where I live this is the system we have. If I don't like it I can open my mouth or keep it shut. I could join the 'marxist revolutionaries pink panthers workers party' or 'fascists united' or 'anarchists a R Us' or 'women are better than men' or 'men are better than women' or set up my own 'party' and try to destroy the exisiting system one way or the other so that a system I prefer can be introduced. I might be careful what I wished for if I wished for any of that though.
I might just decide to register my disatisfaction with democracy or with those who are currently 'in power' thanks to democracy and all the faults therein by not voting.
I might not give a rat's arse about democracy and choose not to vote because voting day happens to be on the same day that I'm having my hair done. How very inconvenient.
I might not vote because someone is intimidating me into not voting.
Now there are dangers inherent in both voting and not voting as we can see.
Let's look at the dangers of not voting:
One danger in not voting is that someone might recognise an opportunity and use my not voting (and others not voting) to their advantage.
In my country the BNP are one such party that recognised an opportunity and took it.
I will go on the record here as saying I don't much like the BNP but now we have a problem. Although I did vote and I did not vote for the BNP; the BNP got in all 'fair' and square.
Suddenly the BNP have a platform. That pisses me off (quite) a bit I must admit but that's democracy for you. Now some have argued that we should censor the BNP becasue we don't like what the BNP represent, we don't like what the BNP have to say and we don't like the way the BNP say what they have to say.
However I find that if you don't censor and people say what they want to say in the way they say it the truth is sometimes revealed. The danger in this approach is the 'oxygen of publicity' might serve certain other purposes very well.
Therefore I would say that censorship is not a clear cut issue.
It's Not Fair!!!
Sometimes people use systems and then go about dismantling systems until those systems are no longer effective, partially effective or even recognisable. Then those who have done what they set out to do (but didn't tell anyone) start to put in place something entirely different. To lovers of fair play this may not appear fair; it may be that this actually is not fair but sometimes life is just not fair!
Best not to expect those who do not believe in fair play to respect the fact that some people do. And we haven't even started on hypocrisy yet.....
Often the best one can do is keep one's eyes, ears and nostrils open.....and hope that one's brain is engaged! It is, however, sometimes possible to do more than that!
Making connections
In a democracy the elected take their voters for granted at their peril. In a democracy the elected patronise their voters at their peril.
The voters should know that voting can be tampered with.
The voters should know that they can be tampered with.
I think that is enough said on the matter of democracy in relation to voting and voters.
Sciforums
Sciforums is not a democracy. It has members!
NO shit Sherlock!
Sciforums is a tyranny!
Is it? I thought it was an oligarchy
Oh yes an oligarchy that's what I meant!
Meritocracy - that can be good too.
Look if you don't like it just fuck off!
I was going to say that even a meritocracy can be flawed because the biggest and the brightest and the fastest might not know all there is to know about all there is to know.
Look if you want to start a fucking whinefest why don't you go to another website to do it? There's loads out there moaning about this forum. Just go and moan over there FFS!!
Well don't be surprised if I don't take you up on your offer...
You can't vote it's not a democracy!!
Who ever said that this was about voting?
You did you did you did you did!
Sigh. I wonder how BillyT is getting on with his new modship. I might just ask him.....
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't if you don't have a good long think beforehand and then, ha life is not fair, you might still be damned!
Democracy is often criticised as not being ideal as a political system. I would be the first to agree that this might indeed be the case but I do recognise that there is little, if anything, in this world that is perfect.
Whatever the case 'for or against' where I live this is the system we have. If I don't like it I can open my mouth or keep it shut. I could join the 'marxist revolutionaries pink panthers workers party' or 'fascists united' or 'anarchists a R Us' or 'women are better than men' or 'men are better than women' or set up my own 'party' and try to destroy the exisiting system one way or the other so that a system I prefer can be introduced. I might be careful what I wished for if I wished for any of that though.
I might just decide to register my disatisfaction with democracy or with those who are currently 'in power' thanks to democracy and all the faults therein by not voting.
I might not give a rat's arse about democracy and choose not to vote because voting day happens to be on the same day that I'm having my hair done. How very inconvenient.
I might not vote because someone is intimidating me into not voting.
Now there are dangers inherent in both voting and not voting as we can see.
Let's look at the dangers of not voting:
One danger in not voting is that someone might recognise an opportunity and use my not voting (and others not voting) to their advantage.
In my country the BNP are one such party that recognised an opportunity and took it.
I will go on the record here as saying I don't much like the BNP but now we have a problem. Although I did vote and I did not vote for the BNP; the BNP got in all 'fair' and square.
Suddenly the BNP have a platform. That pisses me off (quite) a bit I must admit but that's democracy for you. Now some have argued that we should censor the BNP becasue we don't like what the BNP represent, we don't like what the BNP have to say and we don't like the way the BNP say what they have to say.
However I find that if you don't censor and people say what they want to say in the way they say it the truth is sometimes revealed. The danger in this approach is the 'oxygen of publicity' might serve certain other purposes very well.
Therefore I would say that censorship is not a clear cut issue.
It's Not Fair!!!
Sometimes people use systems and then go about dismantling systems until those systems are no longer effective, partially effective or even recognisable. Then those who have done what they set out to do (but didn't tell anyone) start to put in place something entirely different. To lovers of fair play this may not appear fair; it may be that this actually is not fair but sometimes life is just not fair!
Best not to expect those who do not believe in fair play to respect the fact that some people do. And we haven't even started on hypocrisy yet.....
Often the best one can do is keep one's eyes, ears and nostrils open.....and hope that one's brain is engaged! It is, however, sometimes possible to do more than that!
Making connections
In a democracy the elected take their voters for granted at their peril. In a democracy the elected patronise their voters at their peril.
The voters should know that voting can be tampered with.
The voters should know that they can be tampered with.
I think that is enough said on the matter of democracy in relation to voting and voters.
Sciforums
Sciforums is not a democracy. It has members!
NO shit Sherlock!
Sciforums is a tyranny!
Is it? I thought it was an oligarchy
Oh yes an oligarchy that's what I meant!
Meritocracy - that can be good too.
Look if you don't like it just fuck off!
I was going to say that even a meritocracy can be flawed because the biggest and the brightest and the fastest might not know all there is to know about all there is to know.
Look if you want to start a fucking whinefest why don't you go to another website to do it? There's loads out there moaning about this forum. Just go and moan over there FFS!!
Well don't be surprised if I don't take you up on your offer...
You can't vote it's not a democracy!!
Who ever said that this was about voting?
You did you did you did you did!
Sigh. I wonder how BillyT is getting on with his new modship. I might just ask him.....
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't if you don't have a good long think beforehand and then, ha life is not fair, you might still be damned!
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* bold added after original post by me to add emphasis
Enmos what you have to realise that not everything is about YOU or how YOU would react. The statement; 'I wouldn't have mind if...' (aside from the grammatical error
) whether you like it or not, might SAY something about YOU and a lack of empathy for OTHERS and their points of view let alone about their feelings. Sniffy KNOWS there wasn't a vote. Sniffy KNOWS that voting is not the best way to achieve things. BUT if stryder is going to say 'we want the most popular' then you might as well have a frikken VOTE!!!!!
OR shock horror you might come up with a variety of ways to select new moderators that doesn't piss off all the people all of the time. Perhaps you should accept that you are always going to piss off some of the people some of the time and learn to live with that...
Or like sniffy go off to a darkened room for a while and think really hard!!!
BTW the above is NOT a tantrum, just in case it might be interpreted as such.....
And where is that idiot geoffp I'd like to have a word with him.....?
sniffy has many, many talents but mind reading is not yet one of them...she is working on it though.
The mistake you made was either not thinking it through properly or making it up as you go along....sniffy made different set of mistakes
Worst case scenario?
Murphy's law?
shit hits fans and sprays all around
it is about time you chaps learned...
if you keep making the same mistakes....
dont be surprised if you keep learning the hard way....
the hard way hurts...
it doesn't only hurt you....
it hurts others whom you never intended to hurt....
ignorance is not a defence that will hold up in a court of law
but it is a mitigating circumstance...
that could be taken seriously...
it should be taken seriously
if you don't want your ship to sink.
if you think i'm being arrogant...
believe me I've learnt all this myself...
the hard way....
:truce:
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I know, and I do. I recognize that what happened might not have been the most polite way of going about things to some people, but it hardly calls for the public cries of outrage on your part. That is, at least, my opinion.
Ah yea..
It might, or maybe I don't just make a big deal out of things that aren't.
So they could have informed the other 'contenders' beforehand. It didn't happen. You spoke out. You had your say. I think that means that we can move on.
And perhaps, in the future, if a selection of this kind takes place again people will be informed that they did not make it beforehand. You may have achieved that.
I don't see the point in dragging this issue on and on though.
Well, that was only one of the suggested requirements.
I do realize that, but that doesn't mean I can't work to minimize the number of people I 'have to' piss off
lol
I did not for one second think that was a tantrum, Sniffy. I think you're actually trying to be nice
So.. am I correct that *this* a largely based on a misunderstanding between you and Geoff (as per the OP)?
We will have to agree to disagree on that point.
BTW is this a public or a private forum....lol
Again from your perspective...If you read thoroughly lol what I have to say you might begin to see the point.....
If Darwin hadn't seen the point in evolution he might not have dragged on...
Not that I am comparing myself to Darwin or this issue to evolution!!! Before anyone jumps on a bandwagon.
I do realize that, but that doesn't mean I can't work to minimize the number of people I 'have to' piss off
Hmm. A consensus is approaching....
I did not for one second think that was a tantrum, Sniffy. I think you're actually trying to be nice
Hallelujah!!!
So.. am I correct that *this* a largely based on a misunderstanding between you and Geoff (as per the OP)?[/QUOTE]
OMG!!! NO ENMOS THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ABOUT A MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN ME AND GEOFFP!!
Dear god.... :bawl:
Until I am satisfied about something there is no way I am going to PM or start another thread and certain existing threads that might have been more suitable were locked....
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
It's a privately owned forum. That doesn't mean that it isn't accessible to the public.. obviously.
I do see you point. And, from my perspective, it is an issue but not a big issue. Maybe you are extrapolating too much.
Ok, so what's the point in dragging on in this case?
I think you made your point very clear already.
It's pretty self-explanatory that people, let alone a moderator, should strive to do that imo.
lol
Not about, but largely (alright, in part) based on.
Anyhow, I do see your point.
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he he...there's irony in them there words
maybe but there are other issues that you may not be aware of....
I think I have too I just want to make sure that others see the point(s there's more than one and they are related) even if they don't agree with me.
You would think so wouldn't you....
Had geoffp not said a word, not opened this thread I might not have realised something. However had he not said anything at all I would still have been very concerned about a number of things and would have gone down the same road....
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
How so?
Ok, but I can't comment on issue's I'm not aware of.
I would certainly think so. I think this is one of the other issues?
Ok, so this matter right here was the final straw, so to speak?
I would suggest that you work out the other issues in private though.
Yes, depending on what it's about it makes it significantly less valid to me. Depending on the seriousness of the subject, and my personal interest in it. And it's not so much about the subject, but about the user forwarding the subject.
Sure.
They are to be taken seriously, but are some individuals discussing the subjects worthy of being taken seriously?
Seriously.
Yes, and no. Do you care if a stranger on a forum calls you a stupid c*nt? How much do you care? How much do you give said individual credit? Depends on the individual, the subject at hand, and your mood.
Now, how much is your life dependant on a forum mod job? How much importance does it bear?
Now, in real life, if I wouldn't be privately informed(via letter, mail, whatever f*cking means)about the status of my application I'd be pissed and would probably throw a temper tantrum. But why? The outcome of this application is important because it earns me money, money which I need to survive in this world, and it would also be important for me to know whether I got the job or not, so that I know if I will have to either proceed with sending out applications, or stop, and enjoy my new job. A forum mod position is not vital...not for anyone, contrarily to a real life job.
I mean, I come online to enjoy my time. I don't come online to repeat the real-life scenarios just to end up grinding my teeth over some forum tantrum. I know how it ends up if you take online life seriously, too seriously. It's a f*cking grief not worth my time since I've already got enough shit to deal with in real life. Lets put it that way..people should try to take it more relaxed. That's what I'm doing, and it's tasty..hot...sexy...it feels greaaaaaaaaaat. :m:
Okay, fair enough.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Anything else to contribute?
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I don't know why you feel attracted towards posting here, but the thread title reads "A Plea" not "A Flea". Maybe you misread. No fleas needed here.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Sigh.. maybe you missed the fact that this thread is actually not about me.
Plus, you are trolling. Keep it up.
actually it is
it is all about your ill mannered and disrespectful announcement of appointment.
why do you not see that?
is it because you have the emotional development of a retard?
something else?