Youths want no migration controls

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6198696.stm

Four out of five youngsters believe people should be able to live in any country they choose, a BBC global survey of 15 to 17-year-olds suggests.

Two-thirds also say that they would emigrate to secure a better future, and one in seven said they would risk their life to reach another country.

The 10 key cities involved in the poll were New York, Nairobi, Cairo, Lagos, Rio de Janeiro, Baghdad, Delhi, Jakarta, Moscow and London - though due to their sensitive nature, not all questions could be asked in all areas.

But the sample was split about whether those who wanted to move to a new country should keep apart to maintain their own beliefs and culture - with 38% saying they should and 49% calling for immigrants to integrate and adopt the culture of their new country.

In New York, 61% thought immigrants should integrate, with only 11% saying they should keep apart. In Delhi, the figures were just 11% for integration and 81% for keeping apart.
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So what do you think-should we have immigration laws or not?
 
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Immigration or emigration? Emigration is internal, immigration is external. Emigration laws seem rather ridiculous, whereas immigration laws are necessary and should be far stricter than they are now.
 
Four out of five youngsters believe people should be able to live in any country they choose, a BBC global survey of 15 to 17-year-olds suggests.
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That's because 4 out of 5 youngsters are immigrants thanks to them breeding like rabbits while the regular citizen's birth rates continue to remain low.. ;)

- N
 
People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without needing to ask permission, so long as they do not directly harm others. I don't see how a mexican or china man escaping starvation is somehow harming me.

Immigration laws exist only to keep the fat cats fat. One of the worst forms of government regulation.
 
Xerxes said:
People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without needing to ask permission, so long as they do not directly harm others. I don't see how a mexican or china man escaping starvation is somehow harming me.
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You aren't blind aren't you? Competition for the scarce resources with starving mexicans could wake you up. Life is cruel.
 
Citizenship is the most 'acceptable' form of profiling and discrimination. The fat cats will be holding onto it as long as possible...
 
samcdkey said:
Four out of five youngsters believe people should be able to live in any country they choose, a BBC global survey of 15 to 17-year-olds suggests.
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The young of the world are filled with idealism ...because they haven't yet fully realized that someone has to pay for those grand ideals in one way or another. Don't worry ...they'll grow up, marry, find jobs, buy homes, ...then begin to pay taxes, and it'll slowly sink in that idealisms are nice fairy tales that aren't so workable after all.

No, of course nations should have immigration laws. It's foolish (youthful idealism) to think otherwise.

Baron Max
 
Xerxes said:
People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without needing to ask permission, so long as they do not directly harm others.
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How 'bout if they INDIRECTLY harm others?

I would also ask .....just who decides who's harmed or not? Who makes that decision? From your post, my guess is that you think the actor/doer should make the decision ...and if anyone complains, they're just being "fat cats" or something, huh? :D

Baron Max
 
John99 said:
Your 100% naive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariel_boatlift
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And so?

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle/History/SI-NonUSHist.htm
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the British practice of using the American colonies as a dumping ground for convicts. Back then, there were no prisons to house convicted criminals, except for debtors prisons like the Clink in London. Most convicts were sentenced to be whipped or fined. Serious criminals were permanently disposed of. Many were given a choice of exile in the colonies, either permanently or for a certain numbers of years. If they returned, they were hung. Prisoners were shipped off to America and there sold as indentured servants. For more info read Immigrants in Chains by Peter Coldham. Benjamin Franklin said that a third of the population were descended from or were these British prisoners. While some were simply poor people, vagrants, and petty criminals, some were violent. They preyed upon other colonials.
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http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/colamere.htm
Soon after the settling of Jamestown, there was a tremendous demand for labour, skilled and unskilled, in the American colonies. Many early Virginians were English convicts who arrived in this country as "transported " felons. In England a system was introduced in 1655 which enabled death sentences to be reduced to transportation overseas, and two years later justices of the peace were empowered to transport vagrants. Many crimes carried the death penalty, but today many of those crimes would be considered misdemeanors.

After 1655 and before the Transportation Act of 1718 some prisoners of each circuit court were selected to be reprieved from the gallows on condition of their accepting a term of transportation to the Colonies. Each formal pardon, signed by the king, was enrolled in the great series of patent rolls that are preserved in the Public Record Office in London as Class C 66.

Nearly 400 convict ships carrying 50,000 men, women and children left England bound for the American colonies where their human cargoes were sold and/or indentured as servants to work off their passage for a term of years. Facilities were developed for the reception and sale of convicted prisoners. The tidal wave of involuntary laborers became known as ``His Majesty's Seven-Year Passengers.'' Of the more than 400 convict ships identified as having crossed the Atlantic from the ports of London, Bristol, Liverpool and Bideford between 1716 and 1776, a dozen or so were destined for the West Indies or the Carolinas before 1730. Thereafter Maryland or Virginia were the invariable destinations. English prisons were cleared on a regular basis two or three times a year at times to suit demands of tobacco exporters in the colonies.
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Baron Max said:
The young of the world are filled with idealism ...because they haven't yet fully realized that someone has to pay for those grand ideals in one way or another. Don't worry ...they'll grow up, marry, find jobs, buy homes, ...then begin to pay taxes, and it'll slowly sink in that idealisms are nice fairy tales that aren't so workable after all.

No, of course nations should have immigration laws. It's foolish (youthful idealism) to think otherwise.

Baron Max
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The world is changing Baron.

The EU has more power than the individual countries that used to be Europe.

People are now only beginning to realise that there is only one planet to fight over and cooperation gives better results than competition.
 
samcdkey said:
The world is changing Baron.

The EU has more power than the individual countries that used to be Europe.
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And what does that have to do with laws about immigration in the world? Or are we only discussing immigration in Europe??

Baron Max
 
Neildo said:
That's because 4 out of 5 youngsters are immigrants thanks to them breeding like rabbits while the regular citizen's birth rates continue to remain low.. ;)

- N
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When you say ‘regular citizen’, does that include all the ‘regular citizens’ of the countries where the immigrants come from, or in your view those who stay in their country of birth have less children than those who immigrate? And do your comments include all countries that send immigrants to America, i.e. many people from England, France, Germany, Australia go to live in America. Do they all have more kids than ‘regular citizens’?

Actually it is the poorer people in any country tend to have larger families than the rich and that is just as true for American citizens as in Europe, Mexico, India or anywhere else.
 
Baron Max said:
And what does that have to do with laws about immigration in the world? Or are we only discussing immigration in Europe??

Baron Max
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If you don't let the immigrants in, your jobs go overseas anyway.
 
samcdkey said:
If you don't let the immigrants in, your jobs go overseas anyway.
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One doesn't necessarily mean the other, Sam.

But why don't you view immigration from another perspective ....who pays for all those immigrants that can't find jobs or affordable homes or affordable healthcare or .....or don't want to work for a living?

Baron Max
 
If anyone wants to see what open borders can do... just compare a city like "West End, Georgia" to what it USED to be and what it is TODAY.

High class, efficient areas are desired by almost everyone... so everyone tries to live like that. The result? Uninvited and low class people populate it.

Look at the mainstream music community. It used to have good music.

Look at movies. Few good movies come out anymore.
 
Xerxes said:
People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want without needing to ask permission, so long as they do not directly harm others. I don't see how a mexican or china man escaping starvation is somehow harming me.

Immigration laws exist only to keep the fat cats fat. One of the worst forms of government regulation.
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As an idealist principal I would tend to agree with you. But when economies and societies are built on welfare states (i.e. schools, hospitals, police, care of elderly) provided by taxation of local populations any system would become unworkable and collapse given uncontrolled immigration and movement of people, so some control is needed.

I am not saying that immigration should not happen, it should and it is generally a good thing, but it has to happen with control.
 
dixonmassey said:
You aren't blind aren't you? Competition for the scarce resources with starving mexicans could wake you up. Life is cruel.
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And what sort of message do you think comments like that are sending out to other peoples of the world who are competing with America’s over consuming population for the world's scarce resources?
 
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