Youths want no migration controls
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Well who pays for all the citizens of that country that can't find jobs or affordable homes or affordable healthcare or .....or don't want to work for a living?? Why do people seem happy to pay for one persons unemployment benefit or free healthcare but not another, based purely on where they were born?
Lazy scroungers are OK so long as they are our lazy scroungers eh?
Yes there are immigrants who don’t work, cant afford healthcare etc, but here are also citizens who do the same. There are also immigrants who are very hard working honest people and who pay taxes that cover the welfare of some citizens>.
These days it does - its called globalisation… it cuts both ways you know.
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Generally speaking India is bending over and the west is doing the screwing..
If all the parts that are made cheaply in India were made in England or America, the products that they go into would become too expensive for the world market and nobody would buy them, jobs go to India out of competitive necessity not from goodwill.
As well as all the dangerous waste disposal and recycling that the west doesn’t want to deal with.
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And yet you want more and more of them? ..without restrictions?
You don't think that there's a breaking point in there somewhere???? You think that money just grows on trees for the government to hand out forever to whoever wants it?
Baron Max
Then they shouldn't be so anxious to move to nations of the west, huh?
Does anyone force those Indians to make those products? If you know of any such violations, you should contact the legal authorities at once!
Baron Max
Actually, that's entirely incorrect.
The difference is relative movement.
Immigrants immigrate to this country.
Emigrants emigrate from their respective countries.
Check the usage notes at migrate.
As I said this on page 1 of this thread;
It should be obvious that I neither think money grows on trees nor do advocate immigration without restrictions
We are talking of screwing India, the country ... not Indians, the individuals.
I dont know what you are thinking of
(joke)The comment was made by John99 "sending india jobs", I was simply saying that they are not being given as in a 'hand out'. They are being won competitively - free market. This is not just in India but China, Brazil, Poland , Romania, they are all winning more and more work, contracts and jobs and this will continue to be the case, because they will do it for less.
The more you restrict immigration the less cheap labour you have and the more uncompetitive as a country you become. A large number of immigrants tend to do minimum wage jobs that citizens do not want to do for the money, because even at minimum wage conditions are still better than in their country of origin.
That said though remember that there are also skilled immigrants, doctors, engineers etc..
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dixonmassey
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Life is cruel and unjust + ultimately nobody cares about you, so why you should care about somebody else? Lastly, american overconsumers are not taking world's resources at gun point. World is gladly selling them for the currency of questionable value. If somebody is stupid, greedy and immoral here, it's so called "world".
Huh? From that, you seem to be saying that we should let them immigrate, then take advantage of their situation ...make them work for minimum wage in shitty jobs that no citizen wants?
Hmm, not a bad idea ....if we can't fuck over 'em in their own country, let's bring 'em here and fuck over 'em instead!
Baron Max
Wait.. I thought competition was a good thing? Isn't it called like, capitalism or something? We have a consistent surplus of resources and have, as a result of it become incredibly wasteful and lazy and innefficient.
How 'bout if they INDIRECTLY harm others?
I would also ask .....just who decides who's harmed or not? Who makes that decision? From your post, my guess is that you think the actor/doer should make the decision ...and if anyone complains, they're just being "fat cats" or something, huh?
Baron Max
Or maybe you are indirectly harming others by putting a wall up between borders and cutting the desperate off from their only means of relief?
The point is to reduce worry and self-pity and put compassion for others in its place.
Only because we've restricted immigration for so long. Free immigration is one solution to the welfare state. This is not idealism, it is as the absense of any system, the most practical system of all.
'Thinking otherwise' is the foundation of science. By that logic we can pass off most of the great thinkers and revolutionaries as mere idealists.
PS: not everybody wants the bourgeoisie life of marriage and restricted freedom.
Or maybe by letting undocumented aliens into our nation, we harm our own citizens ....thus cutting off the citizens' from their only means of relief.
At what expense? ...at the expense of the nation's citizens welfare?
Besides, can't we pity them and have compassion for them from across a legal border? If not, what the hell is pity and compassion?? ...something we hold in our hands??
Baron Max
Well, they were!! The "great thinkers and revolutionaries" wouldn't have accomplished shit if it hadn't been for the hard work and effort of great unwashed, stinkin' masses.
Well, I don't know about that ....apparently they do, else why would they be trying to immigrate to the very same nations that seem to have that ideal?
Baron Max
No, one of them wouldn't really make a difference, but imagine millions of them flooding the wealthy nations seeking a better life. Bye-bye wealthiness/wellfare
I would love to see open borders, personally, but it simply is not realistic.
The only way it would be a feasible option is if the vast majority of the countries worldwide did the same, and all those countries also offered a free public welfare system and all those countries also offered a decent standard of living.
Let’s say, for example, the US opened its borders with no restrictions – I chose the US because it is vast, wealthy and relatively sparsely populated.
If the US opened it borders wide, with no restrictions, we would have an unparalleled mass influx of people.
The US population would skyrocket in a short amount of time.
Even in an ideal stable socialist environment (if one exists) where all the health care is free, that would still cripple the country – not just the economy, either.
Can you imagine if 2 billion people (many of whom are sick, diseased, unskilled and unable to contribute at all (which is what would draw many them here in the first place) suddenly flooded the country?
Chaos is too subtle a term to describe it.
Not to mention that all the contagious people would spread the diseases they have.
No, not all foreigners are dirty, disease addled, unskilled liabilities, but the fact of the matter is if we did offer free healthcare, a stable environment and a completely unimpeded immigration policy, it certainly would attract people who are in most need of it.
Sure, we do have a lot more land per person than many other countries, and we could even stand a large influx of people without doing much harm, but imagine a billion more people – 2 billion…
It would cripple the country and produce the opposite of the intended resuls.
Sometimes the best of intentions can produce the worst of results.
The only way it would be a feasible option is if the vast majority of the countries worldwide did the same, and all those countries also offered a free public welfare system and all those countries also offered a decent standard of living.
Let’s say, for example, the US opened its borders with no restrictions – I chose the US because it is vast, wealthy and relatively sparsely populated.
If the US opened it borders wide, with no restrictions, we would have an unparalleled mass influx of people.
The US population would skyrocket in a short amount of time.
Even in an ideal stable socialist environment (if one exists) where all the health care is free, that would still cripple the country – not just the economy, either.
Can you imagine if 2 billion people (many of whom are sick, diseased, unskilled and unable to contribute at all (which is what would draw many them here in the first place) suddenly flooded the country?
Chaos is too subtle a term to describe it.
Not to mention that all the contagious people would spread the diseases they have.
No, not all foreigners are dirty, disease addled, unskilled liabilities, but the fact of the matter is if we did offer free healthcare, a stable environment and a completely unimpeded immigration policy, it certainly would attract people who are in most need of it.
Sure, we do have a lot more land per person than many other countries, and we could even stand a large influx of people without doing much harm, but imagine a billion more people – 2 billion…
It would cripple the country and produce the opposite of the intended resuls.
Sometimes the best of intentions can produce the worst of results.
Open the borders gradually. This would not be a problem if borders were fully opened a century ago. If anything, it would be a boon to our economy. Immigrants are not as prone to debt, remember. And they have a reputation for being hard working.
Pity is different from compassion. Pity no one.
I am referring to myself.
The whole idea of drawing imaginary lines and telling people which they are 'allowed' to cross is absurd. We do not live in a free world as long as the movement of people is restricted. Let the wind blow from every direction and things will balance out in the end. Let it happen gradually.
The way things are now, the poor are getting poorer, in all nations, and the rich richer. Welfare is only a temporary stopping block. What you have to do is let the population and economies adjust themselves, not be controlled by the despotic interests of corporations.
What's the difference?
Bullshit.
That's not at all how it works.
High class areas can only be afforded by the high classes. The only immigrants you see there are the illegal ones mowing lawns.
The mainstream has never had good music.
This is a result of immigrants how?
And.
Don't Jews run Hollywood?
I think you should be blaming the Jew.
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Swatsisaid.
Why is that absurd? Regulation is needed to keep this world from anarchy. Is the above statement supported by scientific evidence, what is your reasoning behind this?