Why do ghosts wear human clothes?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Mar 24, 2016.

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..the shirts and the table cloth and the backdrop were each changed when the camera was zoomed away from them. Watch it again. They were not changed before my eyes. It was a trick of the camera using the additional distraction of the card trick. So what? That doesn't prove anything about people not seeing ghosts. When people see full bodied apparitions walking before them there is no distracting going on while a crew behind the scenes changes things. Again, you can't by trickery prove misperception where there is no trickery involved.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I don't think you get it. When you don't notice something so obvious as a person's shirt changing from black to green, your powers of observation are obviously not as finely tuned as you would have us believe. Since you don't notice things that are there, what makes you think that everything you do notice is actually there?
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    It only proves you can be tricked into not noticing changes that are performed off camera. It says nothing about you hallucinating a full body apparition walking right in front of you with no distraction or trickery at all. There is nothing in that video that I hallucinated. You ARE still sticking to the hallucination hypothesis aren't you? That normal people will often spontaneously hallucinate transparent people walking right in front of them? What does that have to do with the video?
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The paranormal is only incredible if it never happens. The fact that it does happen and quite often makes it quite credible.

    It would be. It would also be a sign of serious mental illness, this demanding of evidence for everything.

    "Nearly one-in-five U.S. adults (18%) say they’ve seen or been in the presence of a ghost, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center survey. An even greater share – 29% – say they have felt in touch with someone who has already died."===http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/30/18-of-americans-say-theyve-seen-a-ghost/

    Perhaps they are. It's certainly not something any normal person would routinely hallucinate on an ongoing basis.

    No more astounding than electrons that can be in two places at once and pass thru barriers. It just depends on how open you are to reality being more than you can understand.

    I was being distracted by the card trick and the camera zooms. That says nothing about people hallucinating ghosts.

    Many people do not expect to see a ghost. Many people who have seen them did not even believe in them until they saw them. And even people who believe in them don't WANT to see them. It's a jolting experience. Nobody wants that.

    There are tons of events and experiences the autobiographer will know over the biographer. It doesn't mean they made them up. It just means they were there when the biographer wasn't.

    It's an experience that needs explaining. Hallucinations doesn't do that.

    Right..I'm claiming normal people who not on drugs or who don't have a brain disorder don't hallucinate things. I never have and I believe in ghosts. It takes a malfunctioning brain to hallucinate.

    I've never met a giant squid either. Lot's of things I haven't met. Does that mean they aren't real?

    You've probably never observed a paranormal investigation in progress ever have you? I've observed hundreds of them, and they are very critical and exact in their usage of infrared cameras, digital recorders, motion sensors, and temperature readers. The results they obtain are real and abundant.

    Sometimes. But not always..

    It's hard to mistake a person in period dress that is transparent and then disappears. What could possibly be misperceived here?

    It would be very hard to fake a ghost. It would require alot of light projecting and audio and people behind the scenes. This equipment would be very obvious on any haunted location. Most haunted locations are empty houses or buildings. They are checked for other people before the investigation begins. So pranks are always ruled out.
     
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  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, certainly outstanding and science admits that they are unable to understand quantum weirdness: But by the same token, anyone and everyone could be a witness to such weird events if he chose to.
    I have never seen a ghost like the majority, and like the majority I don't expect to...why? Simply because they don't exist: All that may exist is unexplained phenomena which the likes of you and river, immediately like to equate with the supernatural or the paranormal/
    Perhaps too much X-Files? "I want to believe"

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  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "There is one insuperable obstacle to a belief in ghosts. A ghost never comes naked: he appears either in a winding-sheet or "in his habit as he lived." To believe in him, then, is to believe that not only have the dead the power to make themselves visible after there is nothing left of them, but that the same power inheres in textile fabrics. Supposing the products of the loom to have this ability, what object would they have in exercising it? And why does not the apparition of a suit of clothes sometimes walk abroad without a ghost in it? These be riddles of significance. They reach away down and get a convulsive grip on the very tap-root of this flourishing faith."===Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That is your claim; it is yours to support.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You've asserted this about a hundred times during this thread. You've built up this story as if witnesses are well-rested, sitting in comfort, in an empty, well-lit room, minding their own business - when, a 3D apparition appears at the (well-lit and unobstructed) door, calmly walks across the room toward them, while they sit upright and observant, as well as unalarmed, taking notes the whole time. That the entire event occurred in a vacuum of mitigating circumstances, the only thing that happened to them before, during of after the event, is the event itself.

    Your account has distilled the events to try to convince yourself and us that there are no mitigating factors involved in these case and that they occur under the ideal apparition-witnessing circumstances.

    Like the witnessess before you, your account of the events you originally read about has been altered and cannot be trusted to represent the facts.

    People change their stories. You changed your story.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, I ask: where, when, exactly did this event happen? What evidence is there that you are referring to?
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Still waiting for that study showing people hallucinate full body apparitions right in front of them. Backpeddling and changing the subject won't work here.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I never claimed people can hallucinate people in front of them. That was your claim based on..what was it now?..oh yeah..our blindspot! lol!
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hallucinate is your word. Your claim. Neither I, nor anyone else AFAIK has made any assertion about hallucinating people (or not) in front of them. Only you.
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    There you go, I have never made any such claim.

    Since neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, believes that people hallucinate under the circumstances being discussed, there is no reason to keep mentioning it.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! Then there is no study and you are retracting your claim. That's what I thought. And as already defined twice for you, seeing a person in front of you who is not there is the definition of hallucination. Which is what you claimed people who see ghosts are seeing. Are you denying that you were arguing for that now?
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I have made no claim of any study.

    You have made a claim. I have showed you that - the criteria by which you judge the veracity of the claim - is false.

    Show me where I claimed it was a hallucination.

    It is a normal aspect of flawed human perception, interpretation and recall - as I have said all along, despite your trying to insert your own words in my mouth. Your continued attempts to do so are a sure sign that you have no valid arguments left.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right here:

    I said: "Things are filtered out. So what? But never does one hallucinate a full bodied person in detailed clothing walking in front of them. It just doesn't happen."

    You said: "It is a fact."

    And then for like 3 pages you tapped danced around never supporting that alleged fact. Now you are lying that you never claimed it. Are you high now?
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Are you able to make a case against someone who was level and rational? Or for you to score a valid point, would I have to be high?

    Argumentative and resorting to ad hominems. Why don't you just argue the issues?
     
  21. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's a fact that things are filtered out of our perceptions. Duh.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! I just showed where you claimed it was a fact that people hallucinate full bodied persons walking in front of them. Are you still denying you claimed that and have been arguing for that for 3 pages now?
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That would only explain why people overlook a person walking before them. It would not explain why people would hallucinate a person walking before them.
     
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