Who believes that the morality..........

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Slartibartfast, Aug 15, 2018.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Forget some of the "savages" part.My forum brethren have most of that covered.

    the question obtains
    Why would you think your(long dead) ancestors to be "ignorant"?
    Choose a time---say 40kybp can you honestly claim that you know what they knew?
    How about 11kybp and gobekli tepe can you honestly claim that you know what they knew?

    We are all ignorant of/about most things

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    Such, may also have been true os our long dead ancestors.
     
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  3. river

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    Agreed

    We are finally , with the finding of Gobekli Tepi , understanding we were far from just being savages . 11,500yrs ago .
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Which ones, in particular?
     
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  7. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I think the Romans were the least moral, but even they had a moral code.
     
  8. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Least moral to whom, and by what standards? The Romans relied on a strong sense of tradition and social custom, a code that could be very rigid at times. If having a code of some sort is what defines one as "moral".
     
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  9. river

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    It is they way they conducted themselves , which leads to savagery , as a descriptor of the Vikings .
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Let's say it isn't.
    Then all you have to do is show that the people whose morality you are talking about "applying" were 1) ignorant and 2) savages. As they are long dead (let's presume), that will be difficult.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Calgacus of the Caledonian confederacy (Picts) in approaching battle with the roman forces
    In a speech to the assembled warriors was said to have said:
    "Whenever I consider the origin of this war and the necessities of our position, I have a sure confidence that this day, and this union of yours, will be the beginning of freedom to the whole of Britain. To all of us slavery is a thing unknown; there are no lands beyond us, and even the sea is not safe, menaced as we are by a Roman fleet. And thus in war and battle, in which the brave find glory, even the coward will find safety. Former contests, in which, with varying fortune, the Romans were resisted, still left in us a last hope of succour, inasmuch as being the most renowned nation of Britain, dwelling in the very heart of the country, and out of sight of the shores of the conquered, we could keep even our eyes unpolluted by the contagion of slavery. To us who dwell on the uttermost confines of the earth and of freedom, this remote sanctuary of Britain's glory has up to this time been a defence. Now, however, the furthest limits of Britain are thrown open, and the unknown always passes for the marvellous. But there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission. Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a solitude and call it peace."

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    Rome:
    Is enslaving people moral?

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    It seems that the roman fleet went around scotland but didn't land and fight where they saw the brochs(se other thread_
     
  12. river

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    no enslaving is not moral .
     
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  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    yeh
    at least,
    mostly
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Savage - compared to what?
     
  15. river

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    not being savage , non-violence
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, a comparison.

    21st century has violence. Does that mean we are savage?
     
  17. river

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    yes it does
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, we are savages, the Vikings are savages; all humanity is savage. Then what does the word even mean?
    More to the point, who are we - as savages - to judge others?
     
  19. Slartibartfast Registered Member

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    Stoning your children to death for disobedience will do and they knew nothing about space exploration.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There aren't many people anyone can show stoned their children to death for disobedience.
    Meanwhile, I doubt too many people today actually know anything about space exploration.(http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~det/phy2060/heavyboots.html I don't know if the email is a hoax or not, but I verified its basic finding years ago when it first came out). And they can't get a fire lit or feed themselves without expert industrial scale help. Is "savage" supposed to be some kind of opposite end of the scale that has "feeble" on the other end?
     
  21. Slartibartfast Registered Member

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    Lovely equivocations. huzzah.
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    which time period are you refering to and which savages ?
     
  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    lol
    the egg timer on u being banned has been turned on
    i only posted so i could have a post inside a closed thread of a banned member just for novelty value.
     

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