What if God calls it quits?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Quantum Quack, Jul 25, 2007.

  1. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    you didn't ask for evidence

    you asked how we would know if you are lying or not

    For instance if I tell you that water is made up of cadmium and nitrogen are you required to produce evidence to determine the truth/falsity of that, or is it sufficient to look for some indication in a chemistry book?
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    sorry

    I must have mistaken you for someone else ....

    :m: :m:
     
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  5. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Depends, do I immediately will another thread to be in the original thread's place? Cause God can do that.
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I guess.. but if you mean Enmos, i think i have seen him around here somewhere..

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  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    you must be mistaken

    I have it on good authority that nothing exists
    not even Enmos

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  9. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    well if you can't even will that you don't visit the dentist, it tends to indicate a bit of a gap between your willing and gods ....
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Im sure Emnos would agree

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  11. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Er, the point was that god could easily replace the string of pearls with his will, not me.
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    You dont need evidence for yourself to know something is true ? :scratchin:
     
  13. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    he would agree if he existed, I am sure

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    but if god leaves the picture, so does his will

    certainly not

    if sciforums was limited to the discussion of things that are evidenced by the contributors, the threads would be about what their mothers cooked for dinner last night
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I guess he would agree sooner just because he doesnt exist.. :scratchin:

    I was talking about for yourself, not what you discuss on here.

    And i dont feel the need to discuss Chinese food.. lol
     
  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Enmos
    I see, so we wouldn't want to doubt his existence to the point of doubting the ideas he advocates ....
    if you want to know what is true for yourself, you have to gain the relative qualification

    if you want to know what is true in general, you can approach persons established in the field

    this explains why people take their cars to mechanics when they break down
    (as opposed to becoming a qualified mechanic)

    this explains why people go to a doctor when they are sick
    (as opposed to becoming a qualified doctor)

    this explains why people approach a lawyer when they are in trouble with the law
    (as opposed to becoming a qualified lawyer)

    etc etc
     
  16. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Unless he leaves some sort of substitute.
     
  17. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    substitute for god with or without having the qualities of god?
     
  18. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Yes - ever heard of conservation of energy / momentum / angular momentum etc?
    Obviously I am not talking "equal" as in "identical".
    And to be honest - if you thought I was then I am disappointed in you.

    Nothing that a quick check in a physics book won't cure you of.

    Logical fallacy.
    This statement has no bearing to the issue in hand - or are you claiming that it does? If so - elaborate.

    As I stated - you are cherrypicking your "cause" and your "effect" for pure sophistry.


    Yes.

    Ah - yes - another of your unproven assumptions.
    Your claim was that an omnipotent being could not have infinite knowledge - or else they would have knowledge of the extent of their potency.
    So which is greater - your entity with potencies increasing - or a being with infinite potencies?
    A simple answer would suffice.

    Pathetic. Ideals have nothing to do with the (il)logical consistency of statements.

    So let's go through this...
    (4) does not follow from (1), (2) or (3) - and is thus a non sequitur.
    There is NOTHING within the assumptions and conclusions of the first three that leads to the conclusion in the fourth.

    (5) does not follow from (4) - and is thus a non sequitur.
    There is nothing in the claim in (4) that leads to the claim of (5).

    (1) is a claim (albeit a fallacious one).
    (2) and (3) are examples (albeit reaffirming the fallacious claim in (1)).
    (4) just doesn't follow at all. It is a new claim - with no bearing to the prior three.
    (5) does not follow from (4).

    Maybe you missed out a number of steps between (3) and (4) and again between (4) and (5)?

    Either way - as they stand - (4) and (5) are non sequiturs.
     
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  19. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    No clue, but God can do anything right? I'm sure he'd manage to get this right if he wanted to do it.
     
  20. Tnerb Banned Banned

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    God is Quantum Quack....

    The rest of the nonsence about god leaving?
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    sarkus

    ever heard of entropy and heat death?


    so in what ways would they not be "identical"?



    milk is the cause of yoghurt
    if cause and effect are equal, turn yoghurt back into milk



    no - I claimed that infinite knowledge is constantly unlimited in its expansion


    if we have certain properties, there must exist a person who has it in the maximum
    nobody is the richest?
    nobody is the most intelligent?
    etc etc

    until you can turn yoghurt back into milk, it remains sound
     
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  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    so the question remains, would the substitute have the qualities of god or not - if you answer yes, then it doesn't really address what would happen if god left. If you answer no, then it doesn't really address how things would go on in the absence of god
     
  23. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Could you clarify what the qualities of god are please?
     

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