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Does the Universe its self still exist , Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , etc. ?
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Physically yes.

But sentience is not a physical thing. Sentience does not answer to Newton's Laws. When the sentient organism dies its physical parts are redistributed but its sentience just disappears, it has no durable properties.

Let's put it this way. Sentience does not occupy space. It is an abstract cognitive property.
That is why the phenomenon of consciousness is so hard to pin down.

Consciousness and sentience are emergent properties and when the causal physical patterns disintegrate the emergent property ceases to emerge.......
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Write4U said:
Physically yes.

But sentience is not a physical thing. Sentience does not answer to Newton's Laws. When the sentient organism dies its physical parts are redistributed but its sentience just disappears, it has no durable properties.
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Because Sentience is life . Life is beyond Newton's Laws .


Durable properties defined as ... your definition Write4U ...
 
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river said:
Durable properties defined as ... your definition Write4U ...
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By your own words......"It's a durable physical world". A rock has no thoughts.

Brains generate thoughts, but they are not physically measurable, they are a fleeting emergent internal phenomena of biological organisms.

If I flick a light switch, light is generated by the electrical current. When I switch the current off, the light disappears. It just does no longer exist. Nothingness.

And thoughts are somewhat similar, turn the brain off and thoughts just disappear. Poof!
 
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Write4U said:
By your own words......"It's a durable physical world". A rock has no thoughts.

Brains generate thoughts, but they are not physically measurable, they are a fleeting emergent internal phenomena of biological organisms.
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Thoughts are within and without .
 
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Which is communicated through speech , to others .
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Not when there is no speech. We are not talking about how thoughts are transmitted. We are talking about when thoughts are no longer transmitted. They just disappear . Nothingness.
How does light disappear? Upon collapse of the wave function, no? Nothingness.
Thoughts are similar except internal to neural networks. Thoughts may be the result of wave function collapse in microtubules. Once the wave function has collapsed there is no longer thought.
 
Write4U said:
Not when there is no speech. We are not talking about how thoughts are transmitted. We are talking about when thoughts are no longer transmitted. They just disappear . Nothingness.
How does light disappear? Upon collapse of the wave function, no? Nothingness.
Thoughts are similar except internal to neural networks. Thoughts may be the result of wave function collapse in microtubules. Once the wave function has collapsed there is no longer thought.
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Perhaps , but that's not how I look towards thought .

Thought is based on knowledge . Knowledge never ends .
 
river said:
Thought is based on knowledge . Knowledge never ends
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Yes it does. Only transmitted knowledge continues. Of the near infinity of thoughts harbored by all sentient things that ever lived, only that which was transmitted via speech, writing, painting, electronic storage remains. The vast bulk of thoughts have just disappeared.
Just think how many thoughts have never been transmitted? Where are they stored?

p.s. is late here,, continue tomorrow?
 
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Yes it does. Only transmitted knowledge continues. Of the near infinity of thoughts harbored by all sentient things that ever lived, only that which was transmitted via speech, writing, painting, electronic storage remains. The vast bulk of thoughts have just disappeared.
Just think how many thoughts have never been transmitted?
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Written down you mean , many . The biggest crime to knowledge was the destruction of Alexandria , Egypt .

Electronics is as venerable as any papyrus .

I would want both .
 
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Does the Universe its self still exist , Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , etc. ?




Beer w/Straw said:
Can I ask what you really intended with that statement?

I'm lost, that's my reaction.
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The difference between Life Energy , and Physical Energy . GALAXIES . That was my intention . They are not the same forms of energy . Yet both exist .
 
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river said:
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river said: ↑
Does the Universe its self still exist , Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , etc. ?






The difference between Life Energy , and Physical Energy . GALAXIES . That was my intention . They are not the same forms of energy . Yet both exist .
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What is "Life Energy" worth when you have suicidal thoughts?
 
This has been debated by several philosophers.

Élan vital
Élan vital (French pronunciation: [elɑ̃ vital]) is a term coined by French philosopher Henri Bergson in his 1907 book Creative Evolution, in which he addresses the question of self-organisation and spontaneous morphogenesis of things in an increasingly complex manner. Élan vital was translated in the English edition as "vital impetus", but is usually translated by his detractors as "vital force". It is a hypothetical explanation for evolution and development of organisms, which Bergson linked closely with consciousness – the intuitive perception of experience and the flow of inner time.[1]
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Criticism
The British secular humanist biologist Julian Huxley dryly remarked that Bergson's élan vital is no better an explanation of life than is explaining the operation of a railway engine by its élan locomotif ("locomotive driving force"). The same alleged epistemological fallacy is parodied in Molière's Le Malade imaginaire, where a quack "answers" the question of "Why does opium cause sleep?" with "Because of its soporific power".[9]
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Author and popular theologian C.S. Lewis rejected Bergson's concept in his essay The Weight of Glory stating "...even if all the happiness they promised could come to man on earth, yet still each generation would lose it by death, including the last generation of all, and the whole story would be nothing, not even a story, for ever and ever. Hence all the nonsense that Mr. Shaw puts into the final speech of Lilith, and Bergson's remark that the élan vital is capable of surmounting all obstacles, perhaps even death—as if we could believe that any social or biological development on this planet will delay the senility of the sun or reverse the second law of thermodynamics."[11]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élan_vital
 
Beer w/Straw said:
What is "Life Energy" worth when you have suicidal thoughts?
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Life Energy is not the same as Environmental Psychological affects of experience from the environment . Life Energy is not about experience , it is about manifestation of a living entity , in any environment that life can manifest . Where life can , life will exist , manifest .
 
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river said:
Life Energy is not the same as Environmental Psychological affects of experience .
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Life energy is nothing more than a dynamic condition. The logical mathematical nature of physical interactions guide the actual self-formation and continuation of patterns as described in Chaos Theory.

None of this requires a motivated agency. Lifeforce is a function of "the Darwinian dynamic" which was causal to the phenomenon of abiogenesis.

Entropy and the origin of life
The evolution of order, manifested as biological complexity, in living systems and the generation of order in certain non-living systems was proposed to obey a common fundamental principal called "the Darwinian dynamic".[19] The Darwinian dynamic was formulated by first considering how microscopic order is generated in relatively simple non-biological systems that are far from thermodynamic equilibrium (e.g. tornadoes, hurricanes). Consideration was then extended to short, replicating RNA molecules assumed to be similar to the earliest forms of life in the RNA world. It was shown that the underlying order-generating processes in the non-biological systems and in replicating RNA are basically similar. This approach helps clarify the relationship of thermodynamics to evolution as well as the empirical content of Darwin’s theory
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life#Entropy_and_the_origin_of_life
 
Write4U said:
Life energy is nothing more than a dynamic condition. The logical mathematical nature of physical interactions guide the actual self-formation and continuation of patterns.

None of this requires a motivated agency. Lifeforce is a function of "the Darwinian dynamic" which was causal to abiogenesis.

Entropy and the origin of life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life#Entropy_and_the_origin_of_life
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Why is there a dynamic condition in the first place that produces Life ? Mathematics . Based on the physical .
 
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