* * * * NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR * * * * Racist remarks are not tolerated on this board. So far this discussion has been admirably free of such comments but you have gone over the line. I will not bother with the effort of editing posts like this. In the future I will delete the entire post. Please refrain from such language here. Orly, once again, it's "ebonics," not "eubonics." It's derived from the word "ebony" for "black." It's not a combination of Greek eu- meaning "well" and Latin bon- meaning "good." Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Anyway, I'm here in Washington DC, arguably the American city with the highest percentage of African-Americans in its population. Even here I have worked with Euro-Americans who speak like Valley Girls and get away with it, but no African-Americans use ebonics slang on the job. Apparently most people do not feel like you do, not even African-Americans. Gaelic is an ancient Celtic language, the language of the Celtic tribes who settled the island of Ireland. There was no such thing as "education" as we know it, in those days. The words "dialect" and "language" have established meanings and people don't get to change them lightly, especially for ephemeral political purposes. Ebonics is a dialect of English because speakers of ebonics and standard English can understand each other easily. As I mentioned earlier, the people of northern Belgium tried to do the same thing with "Flemish," but they can't change the fact that Flemish is really a dialect of Dutch, not a separate language, for the same reason: the speakers can easily understand each other. Of course laymen don't use the terms properly and that contributes to the confusion. Cantonese is often referred to as a "dialect" of Chinese, but in fact Cantonese and Mandarin are not even slightly comprehensible to each other's speakers. They are two different languages. I think you've identified the reason that so many of us Euro-Americans have such negative feelings about ebonics. We do NOT want African-Americans to stay poor, uneducated and segregated. We WANT them to join us as unhyphenated Americans. We WANT to live in a country like Brazil where people come in a spectrum of brown, rather than having distinct communities of "black" and "white" people. So we don't understand it when some African-Americans appear to want to perpetuate the separation.