Sociopaths

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by skaught, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Don't make the mistake of assuming the experiences of others. Go and watch the documentary, there's obviously more information on the subject gleaned by experts as their understanding of the condition grows.

    If you claim that their emotions tend to be self-serving or about their needs or wants with less consideration for others then in effect you are saying that they cannot empathize as empathy is the opposite of what you describe. I think you should go back and re-read my previous post as you either didn't read the edit or didn't understand it. Having friends does not mean one doesn't mimic emotion, it doesn't mean one is experiencing a depth of emotion which is why professional refer to the disconnect between their responses and what they are experiencing, the 'shallow effect'. They simply do not experience emotion the same way that other's do.

    What you are doing is taking your own personal experiences and projecting them unto the subject in general as well as believing those subjective experiences amounts to objective expertise, so all I can tell you is to watch the documentary as it deals with the emotional state of the psychopath/sociopath. You understand some aspects of the condition but not others which is why we bother discussing them at all, to learn something new on the subject (ie: the OP).

    And perhaps read this. Page 323 'Emotion in the Psychopath': http://dionysus.psych.wisc.edu/Lit/Articles/PatrickC1994a.pdf

    You cannot posit that slave owners were sociopaths unless you want to say that the whole culture suffered from psychopathy. In other words you are diagnosing a cultural social structure. Would you say all of Germany was psychopathic? All of Cambodia? There are other dynamics that work when one refers to a cultural social structure where sociopathic traits can rise and dominate but you cannot retroactively call slave owners sociopaths as if you were diagnosing them as individuals who were acting contrary to their social and cultural environment.
     
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  3. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    I think you need to stop playing with yourself and get a life, really badly. You are a nobody. A person who knows nobody and who nobody knows.
     
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  5. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Mirror neurons are a specific subset of neurons that fire brain circuits in sympathy with another person's actions as they make them. These help us to learn from our parents when we are young by activating the motor neural circuits that accompany an observed action in harmony with the instructor. Once those circuits have been actuated a few times this way we then can activate them on our own and have thus learned the action.

    Later in life when we mature, these same neurons fire in sympathy with other peoples words and actions giving us empathy for how they feel as we interact with them. This makes it difficult for the normal personality to act in a manner that brings pain to another.

    To repeat: a sociopath does not associate the results of an action with the action, he/she does not feel as deeply as most of us, he/she does not have empathy for others so they are free to do harm without remorse or guilt. This does not mean that they like being the way they are or wish to continue to act in this manner.

    A pedophile is created by being the victim of a pedophile. Pedophilia is not about love and sex, it is about control and power over another. A pedophile can feel deeply and they can and do empathize with their victims - that is part of why they act as they do. They very much want someone else to feel every bit as small and helpless as they once did and they have been taught exactly how to do just that. Children are very much easier to control than adults. This is part of the lesson that the victim learns from the experience of being that. The lack of power and loss of control that they experience at the hands of the pedophile can give them a very strong drive to do to another what was done to them, so the victim becomes the aggressor.

    Or alternatively, they get lots of counciling and go off to university and study psychology a lot so they can help themselves and others.

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  7. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Lots , You are all over this and yes the marketers are why out in front of it too. I tell you all Onomastics is the way of the future and Corporation knows this too. Leaders are typically sociopaths. Good ones that is. It is the ability to plot and plan that makes it so, You have to have a business plan . The name thing is the most interesting thing though and yes most of you are sleeping and don't realize the importance of a name . How names group people in similarities . How desire is induced into you by infiltration of your repetitiveness. Normalization is the first step you take as a child and in the linguistics part it is your name. It plays a big big roll in your development. Think about the boy who has the name Skunk . Now as we are animals we show this display on the play ground. Little Skunky don't have a chance and the lessons he learns as a child make up his attributes for the rest of his life. Now some people can brake free of the normalization , but most people can't , even if they do they will have a tendency to revert back to there old self
     
  8. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    You see miss Lucy knows something . Contrary to social norms that is what it is all about, but even social norms can run a muck. There by making a group of sociopaths move in unison . The majority of the offenders are just herd mentality acting for the lead sociopath. It is basic corporate structure . It makes the world go round. It is our basic structure of economics. When we like the crazy bastard we follow the crazy bastard because we know he/she will invent the next wheel . If we don't like him/her we ostracize and that is when one of the leadership type becomes withdrawn, Plots and Plans revenge, or seeks out self Satisfying objectives.
    As far as the shadow effect. Most people I believe live modern life in the shadow effect. You might cry , you might be sad and I am amazed at how may people are just flat out depressed . The depression has a lot to do with the shadow effect . It comes from the numbing effect of modern Life. All dressed and no place to go syndrome. Living lives in bubbles of delusions. A good sociopath will pop those bubbles and do you a favor so you can see life in the fast lane . The blink of an eye is a human life in the scheme of things, so brace your selves for a ride on the crazy machine.
     
  9. visceral_instinct Monkey see, monkey denigrate Valued Senior Member

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    So basically they just don't comprehend the idea of right and wrong?

    They understand that if you cut someone they feel pain, but don't empathize with the idea of pain? "Pain" is just a function to their mind?
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Not so much "don't empathise with the idea of pain" as "other people aren't real human beings", and therefore don't empathise with others' pain.
     
  11. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    No they understand the difference between right and wrong, it just doesn't apply to them when it comes to their needs and wants. In other words they just don't care.

    To the second question yes. They understand that the person feels pain but they cannot empathize with that persons pain.
     
  12. Mircea Registered Member

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    Leave it to the corporate world to totally screw up the definitions.

    I seriously doubt that. They can be difficult to detect even with an MMPI.

    None of what you have described fits the profile.

    That's a waste of time and money. I hope you got enough money to cover that under Obamacare.

    There's no evidence to support a claim like that that. Some pedo/paraphiles were molested, however the vast majority of persons molested neither exhibit pedophilic/paraphilac activities nor do they engage in such activities.

    Paraphiles engage in sex with children under 13, pedophiles with children under 5.

    70% of all child molestation cases including pedophile/paraphilia activity occur in the family.

    If you read DSM IV, pedophilia is not psychological disorder per se. In order to be diagnosed, the pedophile has to experience anxiety related to acts of pedophilia and it must impair work or social relationships.
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Actually paraphilia refers to any abnormal or deviant sexual behaviour. Pedophile is someone who engages in sexual activity with anyone 12 or younger.

    'As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is typically defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 and older) characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary).'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
     
  14. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Thanks for your vote of confidence. You might be a little surprised at who I know. I got a big family. We get around somewhat. You might be right about playing with my self though . Yeah I will take that into consideration . My friend Newt knew Me and played guitar with Me . He was a Vietnam vet who died Valentines day this year. His Memorial was yesterday . Yeah he had a drinking problem for part of his life . It was mainly from people that think like you
     
  15. John99 Banned Banned

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    A sociopath become a "sociopath" when they take some form of action. Do we empathize with another persons pain? If i say something hurtful to a forum member wouldnt this mean i am not empathizing with that persons pain? If someone cals someone stupid and if i say? "that was hurtful" and the response is "boo frickin' hoo" isnt that person by your definition a sociopath? Regardless of weather the person is really stupid just the fact that your response did, in fact, cause them pain. Dont get me wrong, i am not saying that i have not made remarks that can be hurtful, everyone does, but then on the other hand i feel bad about it. Similarly a socioopaath is not always devoid of empathy. Could be that there is no such thing as a sociopath because in reality anyone can and often they do exhibit sociopathic tendencies if we were to go by the definition above. Walking past homeless people and feeling nothing...yet otoh these circumstances are just realities of life and often times peole feel no empathy. Sociopath?

    However, knowing this would we conclude that sociopathy does not really deviate from what we see all around us and more like what we see as sociopathic behavior is a little mare than that well basically rising to the level of psychotic.
     
  16. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Unless you read the literature on the topic, that is. Guess you missed it, eh?
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Do you not read your own posts?
    Evidence?
     
  18. John99 Banned Banned

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    Fighting.

    Now i ahve never been in a phsical fight myself but where is the empathy there?
     
  19. John99 Banned Banned

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    Are you saying that there are\has been peole devoid of empathy?
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And again you fail to reason.
    A sociopath is incapable of empathy. At all.
    You persist in raising spurious "points" while not grasping the concept.
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    FFS!
    Yes.
    They're called sociopaths.
     
  22. John99 Banned Banned

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    What kind of pain emotional or physical?
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Try to look up the word "empathy".
    Why do you persist in posting on topics of which you are singularly ignorant and completely unprepared to do any checking?
     

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