Science: Explanation versus obfuscation

[Tiassa]

You're still dodging. It doesn't matter what this clown says or thinks; you know perfectly well that this feud is hurting the site - as does everyone else. That fact doesn't go away even if I turned out to be a million circus monkeys randomly banging away on a million keyboards.

Again, Dave, the make-believe is what discredits you.

Tell us, why would anyone take you seriously, watching you put your own pride before your obligation to the site?

That "obligation" is your own make-believe.

It does not have to be a soul-crushing thing to say 'I had an opinion but I may have overstepped expressing it. I withdraw it.'

Point to it.

 

[James R]

DaveC:

So you're a moderator. James R is the administrator.

In practice, there's not much of a difference. Tiassa likes to play this one up because it gives him one more excuse for not doing anything much as a moderator.

Before I was given the label "Administrator" here, I was a "Super-moderator", as was/is Tiassa. Before that, I was just a lowest-level "Moderator". Possibly, since the change of system software, there is no longer a supermod/mod distinction. I'm not really sure. What I know is that my access to the behind-the-scenes of sciforums is not much greater as an Administrator than it was as a Moderator and, if anything, a little less than the access that Tiassa and I used to have as Supermoderators.

So, Tiassa's pretence that he is somehow cowed by my amazing Administrator powers is just that.

 

[Tiassa]

In practice, there's not much of a difference.

I don't know, James, I'm pretty sure I can't arbitrarily overturn your actions eight weeks later. We have, of course, discussed this before; it is unfortunate and disappointing that you should insist on continuing to misrepresent.

 

[DaveC426913]

In practice, there's not much of a difference. Tiassa likes to play this one up because it gives him one more excuse for not doing anything much as a moderator.

Yep. And since that's the bed he's carefully making for himself, he should lie in it.

But never mind as an official of the site, any person with an ounce of humility would capitulate and make nice so the site can start to heal.

That is certainly well within his 'meager' powers. (Hopefully he won't claim you control his words too.)

 

[Baldeee]

Does it help the matter to criticise in such a manner?

Given what you seem to expect from "any person with an ounce of humility", I assume you think that JamesR has such a measure?
Has JamesR capitulated and made nice?
Are you criticising him in a similar manner?
It would certainly be well within his meagre powers to do so, wouldn't it?

As for Tiassa's criticisms of you, have you capitulated and made nice?
Do you have an ounce of humility?
Is it within your meagre power to do so?

Note, I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of whatever positions one may have on the underlying issues, only that this latest criticism is unhelpful and hypocritical, and seems only intended to stoke rather than quell.

 

[DaveC426913]

Given what you seem to expect from "any person with an ounce of humility", I assume you think that JamesR has such a measure?
Has JamesR capitulated and made nice?

James is the injured party. He has been exercising humility by turning the other cheek to Tiassa's accusations. But it crossed a line.

How long does one just keep letting a bully wail on them in order to "keep the peace" for the sake of the household?

As for Tiassa's criticisms of you, have you capitulated and made nice?
Do you have an ounce of humility?

Yes. I have done so. I have reached out to Taissa in PMs about constructive ways to heal the site. His behavior there was exactly the same as in public - He can't do anything. And everything this is always everybody else's fault. Followed by various schoolyard-like attacks in a similar vein to his latest desperate deflection of gaslighting.

 

[Tiassa]

I have reached out to Taissa in PMs about constructive ways to heal the site. His behavior there was exactly the same as in public - He can't do anything.

To be clear, you filed a complaint. One of the reasons I sent you a copy of your own report is in case you didn't keep one, yourself. Whether you post that particular content here is your own choice, but if you really want me to respond to you here, yet again—since you've already put on a bit of a repeat performance, already—sure, we can do that.

 

[Baldeee]

James is the injured party. He has been exercising humility by turning the other cheek to Tiassa's accusations. But it crossed a line.

I honestly see no particularly injured party.
I do see a character clash between two Mods/Admins that erupts every now and then in front of the classroom, so to speak.
I also see no cheek-turning, at least not in the public fora, but rather counter-accusations.
But I may have missed things.
After all, we only have their public displays to keep us entertained.

How long does one just keep letting a bully wail on them in order to "keep the peace" for the sake of the household?

If one is indeed being "wailed on" then there is no peace to keep.
Further, is not part of the issue the matter of precisely who the "bully" is with regard this site?
From one side, your question seems pertinent.
From the other, it might seem to misunderstand the nature of the argument.
But that is for them to thrash out between themselves.
Preferably behind closed doors.

Yes. I have done so. I have reached out to Taissa in PMs about constructive ways to heal the site. His behavior there was exactly the same as in public - He can't do anything. And everything this is always everybody else's fault. Followed by various schoolyard-like attacks in a similar vein to his latest desperate deflection of gaslighting.

If you say so.

 

[wegs]

Since two things can be true at the same time, it’s possible that either injured party is justified in their respective grudge. But, sometimes, it’s better to reach peaceful disagreement, than it is to be “right.”