And who's fault is that?
Fault ....? Government .
And who's fault is that?
Fault ....? Government .
Why can't living for yourself be the meaning?you see, if you live your whole life just for your self, you have no meaning in life.
your life has no meaning. you die alone and you leave nothing. i hope thats not too hard to understand
What happens to everything you do or thought about when you die? Poof... Unless you shared your knowledge(teaching others, leaving artistic creations etc), or had childrenWhy can't living for yourself be the meaning?
Maybe my adopted purpose has nothing to do with its duration.What happens to everything you do or thought about when you die?
That is only because you define meaning in terms of one's influence on society. I suggest that this can be a legitimate purpose, but it's arbitrary. Other people may define purpose differently. For instance Buddhist monks sometimes spend years in isolation from society, pursuing personal enlightenment.even those that live for themselves involuntarily share knowledge with others. They move about the world changing it. Every little change is knowledge, knowledge of their activity.
Ok I'll admit that I went too far when I said hedonists have no meaning in life.... They just have very little meaning
A little obsessive to my mind. Buddha (born a prince) himself nearly starved to death trying to understand and conquer the emotion (experience) of suffering, and finally became recognized as a great philosopher, who taught that balance and moderation in all things are the purpose of everyone's journey, but there is such an overwhelming number of independent minds, each with their own dreams and ambitions and fantasies, that Buddhist value standards are still followed by many, but also still only a small percentage of the worlds population.That is only because you define meaning in terms of one's influence on society. I suggest that this can be a legitimate purpose, but it's arbitrary. Other people may define purpose differently. For instance Buddhist monks sometimes spend years in isolation from society, pursuing personal enlightenment.
Thankfully. I don't care for the philosophy myself, and indeed it could be interpreted as concerned with helping society, but not everyone accepts that spreading knowledge to the world is the greatest purpose. It's just one of many....Buddhist value standards are still followed by many, but also still only a small percentage of the worlds population
Can you name one, I'm interested. Other than the arts and sciences, what do we do with our spare time.Thankfully. I don't care for the philosophy myself, and indeed it could be interpreted as concerned with helping society, but not everyone accepts that spreading knowledge to the world is the greatest purpose. It's just one of many.
Bonobos do, they actually practice love they neighbor......![]()
No, what people admire about bonobos is their egalitarianism, and use of physical affection to defuse social tensions.be careful what examples one uses in nature as it reveals what one really endorses which in this case is essentially rape.
No, what people admire about bonobos is their egalitarianism, and use of physical affection to defuse social tensions.
Obviously, we have the concept of consent in human culture, and therefore rape. There is no such thing among apes. Admiring aspects of bonobo society (especially in relation to chimps) doesn't mean accepting rape.
Wow, that's quite an analysis and if that is based on any argument I made as to who has the more peaceful disposition, male or female, it shows your lack of study on the Bonobo society.you are assuming a matriarchy is better than patriarchy when the truth is neither one is ideal. true equality would be a balance and neither. submissive vs aggressive is hardly a good choice. in truth, they are both oppressive.
be careful what examples one uses in nature as it reveals what one really endorses which in this case is essentially rape. this, of course, appeals to perverts. this is just the straight-up truth. I think there was a moderator also here who shares your sentiments too. most times, these types of ideas are endorsed by males because they assume they will not be oppressed or assaulted themselves and that they will always be the ones who choose or have most autonomy of decision. this type of fantasy is appealing because it omits them as a victim of ass-rape, for instance, or forced to deepthroat maybe even at gunpoint (remember no recourse in such a society as people can do whatever they want to you), which could be a real probability in a lawless and sexually amoral society, if you choose not to 'love they neighbor' willingly. instead, they are just focusing on who they can victimize easily so it's appealing.
but if you endorse a society that has no sexual rules of conduct or laws, then you are endorsing rape and even incest. that also includes the fact anyone can rape your mother, grandmother, wife, sister, brother, daughter, son as well as yourself. also, arranged marriages too and being a male gives you no more rights to choose. does that appeal to you?
also, in bonobo society, it is obvious that the juveniles are raped because they have no choice or have less ability to fight back. does this also appeal to you?
it's amazing what people reveal about themselves assuming others will buy it's innocent guise when it's actually the opposite, isn't it?
Nature has no written moral standards and regardless of your personal perspective, if you consider that , as one researcher said, Bonobos go to sleep secure in the knowledge that they wont get killed during the night by a rival male. Can we say the same?
Have you ever been through a war? I have.uh, most humans are passed the point of killing rival males over a female. you are exaggerating and equating bonobo society to humans which is farfetched.
you are evading the point. what exactly would you like to implement sexually about bonobo society into human society that doesn't already exist? i hear a resounding flat nothing because there is nothing. it's not as if humans don't already procreate or have recreational sex with those they choose/consensual. anything else?
They have no war!instead of beating each other to death, you think sexual arousal is a medium to resolve conflict for warring parties?
Not make war? Do you even have an idea how many humans have been killed by other humans, for greed or sex.so those who are raped and pillaged should have seen it as a duty to be welcoming and therefore maybe they wouldn't be pillaged or maybe not, just raped? oh, so it wouldn't be rape if it was consensual. the problem is with the victim. how the hell does anything of bonobo society apply to humans or even can, realistically?
Would you rather be forced to wear a burka, so as not to be responsible for being raped?you are also assuming that bonobo society is inherently matriarchal when it may just be appearances. the fact sex is used as an appeasement is more likely male dominated coercion that has become a part of bonobo society as a whole. just because males may let females rule the roost because she runs it the way he prefers or it deters male aggressiveness, doesn't mean the underlying power was not actually a male instrument.
and DO kill each other! It is true common chimps are more like humans than Bonobos.using sex as the main means of deflating aggressive tendencies is pathetic. no wonder chimps have larger brain mass and use tools better than bonobos.
https://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2014/06/13/questioning-sexy-bonobo-hype/Regardless of what our phylogeny is like or who is closest among our living cousins, humans are equipped with a variety of innate capacities they can use to improve life for everyone, like the ability to reason and senses of fairness, compassion, and justice. We can, and have, reduced rates of violence. We can, and have, increased sexual liberty. There is every reason to suspect human society will improve along these lines in the future. Not because we’re like bonobos or chimps, but because we are not.
Right, NOT. But that is because we have a competitive rather than a cooperative nature (as in the Bonobo).it's quite funny to me that this is what you are purporting for human civilization. i'm assuming you are male? that males just be sperm donors and both males and females do not know who the father is nor do they have any specific responsibility. yeah, that's a great example. NOT.
You just indicted human behavior.considering these things occur often anyways, you would rather increase such incidents by normalizing sexual promiscuity, irresponsibility and more maury povich shows.