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Purpose of Life
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DaveC426913
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This is one of those rare cases where opponents do not have to provide evidence of a mechanism (in this case, a soul) to invoke it.
The thread subject is the purpose of life. That is a personal call on each person's part, as to what it means to them. There is no objectivity here.
If, say, Tim and Riv believe that a soul is part of what they are, and that their purpose involves its care, that's their right.
If, say, Pad and Alex and Michael believe that the concept of a soul has nothing to do with their purpose, and they are motivated for other reasons, that's their right.
Both of these can exist side-by-side without need for any objective validation of facts.
This is not the place for one person to insist that their constructs are part of someone else's purpose, and certainly not the place where anyone gets to tell anyone else that their purpose is invalid for whatever reasons.
True and well reasoned
Mucho kudos
A slight technicality (may be due to the looseness of the original post) which I took to be the purpose of life (in general) not purpose of my life (which some posters inserted later when they personalised the post by referring to their soul)
Agree, both (views soul / no soul) of these can exist side-by-side, and do not require validation by either party
My requesting proof of a soul relates more to the population in general with a detour to cases of those on life support equipment where claims were made the soul determines if the body lives
Again of all the patients, ranging from premature babies born at 20 weeks gestation to adults of 90 years plus, not a single instruction has been given about the care of the soul
I guess here if you don't believe in the soul you would not expect to get any such instruction
Those who believe in souls (more guessing coming) the soul is considered indestructible and the vehicle which takes you into the other life
Everyone please feel free to believe what you wish about souls safe in the knowledge your right to do so is not in danger and nobody (at least this nobody) will ask you personally about your personal soul beliefs
If you indicate the soul of my patient needs attention I will listen but require proof of the existence, how any treatment is to be administered and the benefits / risk assessment of the treatment
My job would be on a very thin line if when asked what I was doing my reply was 'looking after the soul'
I doubt I would see the end of the shift
CLEAR ENOUGH?
DaveC426913
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Yep. That was the point of subsequent posts clarifying that a personal purpose is the only one meaningfully discussible. If anyone wishes to argue the purpose of life in general, and wishes to invoke spiritualism, then they'll have to provide some objective evidence.
Let me tell you my old chemistry point was in order to have a reaction you have have to bring the chemicals to gather, a product of chemical reaction is heat, The heat will initiate other reaction together and so there is life, . So the pump was plugged in by some human and the human unplugged the pump. Oxygen ceases yo flow an there is no life.
The soul. The invisible hand of God initiate life ,
What is it made from . Well , DARK ENERGY, and DARK MATTER. I am sure your pall peddoboy will like that one.
DaveC426913
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You just described how life works: chemistry, energy (heat), oxygen. Remove these things and life stops.
You've just succinctly shown that life starts and stops quite nicely without any
Well done.
I don't entirely agree with that.
This is first and foremost a science forum, with many sub-forums, any person who claims life after death and a soul, can be reasonably asked for evidence of such, particularly when they are using it in an effort to deride or invalidate some scientific theory.
Agreed.
I couldn't agree more!
The problem exists as I have expressed in your opening of this post.
When people attempt to denigrate science as the likes of timojin and others do, then I believe the gloves are off, and they need to be confronted with cold hard scientific fact.
Really, I have nothing at all against reasonable religious people [just ask my Mrs!!
]And I most firmly support and believe that any one of us, have the free will to believe what they will, as long as those beliefs do not interfere with, or cause harm to others with different beliefs.
Each to there own.
DaveC426913
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Not, as I see it, in an 'About the Members' thread, where they are asked essentially what they believe.
The error with their statements starts when they don't stop there, as you correctly point out here:
Agreed.
[particularly "about the members" thread.]
spidergoat
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That's just what an individual life form does. That's not the purpose of all life, which has no ultimate purpose. It arose because conditions favored it, that's all. If conditions didn't happen to favor it, the Earth would be like any other planet in our solar system.
spidergoat
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You are the one suggesting it, you provide the evidence.
Mr exclusive science, why are you saying invalidate scientific theory ?
I follow the idea of conservation of energy in the universe. Life is part of energy , while we are a life our temperature is higher then the ground when we die our temperature drops to ground temp. Therefore life have energy. When a person is put into a respirator energy is added to the body, you remove the respirator there is no life.
So Mr. what are you going to call this situation ? Call it soul call it dark energy or slap any name you want It is part of the energy of the universe.
I follow the idea of conservation of energy in the universe. Life is part of energy , while we are a life our temperature is higher then the ground when we die our temperature drops to ground temp. Therefore life have energy. When a person is put into a respirator energy is added to the body, you remove the respirator there is no life.
So Mr. what are you going to call this situation ? Call it soul call it dark energy or slap any name you want It is part of the energy of the universe.
I simply call it as resulting probably from a fluctuation in the quantum foam, spacetime, fundamental matter,planets, stars, galaxies, all with a use by date when we all shall be returned to the star dust from whence we arose.
In the mean time.....
Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older:
#9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
#8 Life is sexually transmitted.
#7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
#6 Men have 2 motivations: Hunger and hanky panky, and they can't tell them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
#5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe years.
#4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the hospital, dying ofnothing.
#3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.
#2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
#1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may be a burning issue tomorrow.
Xelasnave.1947
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This is a clash of beliefs no facts can win. Neither side can convince the other and believes what they see as reality is so, there is no need to consider that one or both maybe right or wrong, but to accept that beliefs are not often altered and so there can be no establishement in the mind of either side they could be wrong.
I have accepted a situation much in line with the uncertainty principle.
I allow other peoples universe to exist so I can explore it. I let these other universes pop in and out and remain an observer.
Is my soul the observer?
Could the soul be a very intelligent germ, indestructible and immortal, and it leaves the body eventually finding another host, human or animal, where it sets up shop to gather more experience of life thereby living up to its purpose of gathering information to takeback eventually to the head germ.
There is a book right there probably a best seller unfortunately.
Great thread interesting other universes to be seen.
Alex
Al. I finish my chapter. with . Thank God for science that made life easier life for mankind.
DaveC426913
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Heat as a best litmus test of life?
Is a forest fire life? Is a sunny patch of rock life?
Does a forest fire have a soul then? A sunny rock?
No, you are describing simple chemistry and chemical energy. That is not life. Certainly not a soul.
Xelasnave.1947
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I like it.
Alex
I thought the discussion was based on biological life.
Xelasnave.1947
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