Justification of racism

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Islamsmylife, Nov 29, 2009.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    Instead of just hiring people who weren't experienced, regardless of their ethnicity or sex.

    Your main issue with the whole affair was that they hired minorities and a woman.

    But that wasn't your complaint. Your repeated complaints were based on their sex and their "race".

    The requirement was that they have some experience. Which they would have done. But your complaint was not that they were not as experienced as you. Your repeated complaints were about their ethnicity and sex. This is what you have been arguing for 2 whole days.

    What you have repeatedly asserted in this thread is that you only like to hang around white males and you only want to work with white males.

    You have also argued for the benefits of racial segregation, based on your own myopic view of people's race. Not only that, you have made repeated negative stereotypes of people based on their "race".

    It's not that you implied that any "race" should or should not do anything. What you have explicitly implied is that they should not be doing it with you or living near you, because you are white.

    This is why you are racist.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's sometimes easy to spot likely invalid ones. Any stereotype about basic human nature based on skin color, for example, is battling very long odds. Skin color just isn't that deeply connected to stuff, intrinsically - it changes week to week, even, with some people.

    You need to get out more - meet some white people. They're ok, really, by and large, once you make some allowances for their upbringing.

    Wait a minute - are you the guy who had never seen much rape and threat of rape on TV or in the movies?
     
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  5. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Race and minority were the primary hiring practice of LA back in the 90's...this was there foot in the door....secondary but lastly: skill. The whole practice is egregious....hiring someone based whole upon race or minority would be something akin to your so called racism. Discluding other more qualified applicants in favor of a specific race or minority....and you favor this practice?
     
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  7. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Uh oh, here comes the rape culture fabrications.....
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    You appear to be in favour of keeping the status quo. Ergo, employment that predominantly favoured white people such as yourself, should be protected so that people such as yourself would not have to live or work among minorities. This ensures that minorities are unable to gain access to employment in these fields and you get to keep and maintain your white supremacy.

    To wit, white carpenters make up about what? 90% or so of the work force. The reason for that is simple. You aren't hiring minorities or women, or even allowing them into apprenticeships which would give them the experience. People such as yourself and your attitude have locked it down. It's not that minorities are not as experienced as you. It is a case that minorities are denied the chance or ability to gain the experience in the first place. This is the reality of what you are supporting. You support denying minorities and women the chance to even get the experience in the first place, so that this then allows you to deny them any employment in these fields.

    Is this a process you agree with? Do you think your argument becomes valid in the face of actual reality?

    What a surprise. You don't believe rape culture exists either.

    I don't think you were joking in the first post you made in this thread. You enjoy and partake in white male privilege to a nauseating degree.
     
  9. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    You mean like the Rapes that took place via the Rolling Stone magazine report? Condoning Rape has never once came up in the topic of speech throughout my 42 years with friends, coworkers, barflys, jokes, or even masturbatory fantasy...
    If you think for a new york minute it is condoned here, Id advise a plane ticket to Seria or Lebenon.....there you will see first hand rape culture....The USA prosecutes rape with Looooong prison terms....Please, Im sure because of my white privilege, rape culture is lostt on me, right? Yeah ok
     
  10. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    I said: if they got skills, hire the people! I have zero problem with anybody that was hired because of their. Knowledge and ability-----I have a problem whereby someone is hired due soley to the color of their skin or minority status.... I cant believe you dont see the irony in this.... They didnt even have their own tools for godsakes!! Another requirement that was ignored....
     
  11. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Ive never once thought a good trade school wouldnt be a better solution! We are talking earthquake reinforcment!!
     
  12. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    I haven't worked carpentry for years but the last time I did the entire field was saturated with mexican and south american minorities.... Doing sub par work for less money. Reason #1 I left occupation....
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    *Sigh*

    I see.. These are just some comments over the last 20 or so years from various politicians in your country..

    So you have never heard of comments about "legitimate rape", for example?

    “It seems to be, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, it’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut the whole thing down.” - Todd Akin

    How about "easy rape"?

    “He also told me one thing, ‘If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry. Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she’s not going to say, ‘Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.’ All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she’s underage. And he just said, ‘Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,’ he said, ‘they rape so easy.’ What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, ‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’ So the way he said it was, ‘Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.’ - Roger Rivard

    Or Buck and his comments about "buyer's remorse" in refusing to prosecute a rape case where the rapist had confessed to raping a woman?

    Or how about if she would just lie back and enjoy being raped?

    Marital rape?

    Conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly has been a Republican delegate to eight national conventions, including in 2012. She ran for Congress on the Republican ticket, twice. She also has repeatedly said she doesn’t believe that marital rape exists.

    “I think that when you get married you have consented to sex,” she said in a 2008 interview. “That’s what marriage is all about, I don’t know if maybe these girls missed sex ed.”

    She added, “When it gets down to calling it rape though, it isn’t rape, it’s a he said-she said where it’s just too easy to lie about it … Feminists, if they get tired of a husband or if they want to fight over child custody, they can make an accusation of marital rape and they want that to be there, available to them.”

    In 1981, then-Senator Joe Biden held a hearing on the marital rape exception. Sen. Jeremiah Denton, Republican of Alabama, replied, “Damn it, when you get married, you kind of expect you’re going to get a little sex.”

    When repealing the exception for rape within a marriage made its way through some state legislators, legislators had many questions. In 2014, Virginia state law maker Richard “Dick” Black, a Republican, was running for a seat in the U.S. Congress. Mother Jones reported that in 2002, the Virginia legislature had been considering revising its marital rape laws. An amendment was introduced saying marital rape could only be prosecuted if “at the time of the alleged offense, the spouses were living separate and apart, or the defendant caused bodily injury to the spouse by the use of force or violence,” drastically narrowing the scope of the anti-rape law.

    By way of explanation, Black, a former military prosecutor who clearly understood the way criminal law works, said, “I don’t know how on Earth you could validly get a conviction in a husband-wife rape when they’re living together, sleeping in the same bed, she’s in a nightie and so forth. There’s no injury, there’s no separation, or anything.” Black eventually dropped out of the race, but now serves in the Virginia state senate. He will face a female Democrat backed by EMILY’s List in his reelection bid next year.


    Or how about rape should just be legal if women are allowed to have abortions?

    “If a woman has (the right to an abortion), why shouldn’t a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman?” Lockman said. “At least the rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom doesn’t (in most cases) result in anyone’s death.”

    And I am not even touching on the too numerous to name cases of victim shaming and abuse of rape victims. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Have you been living under a rock for the duration of your life?

    I'll make it easier for you, so that you perhaps stop and think before mouthing off. I am a rape victim. There are many members here who are victims of rape and sexual assault and abuse. Personally, even though there was DNA evidence, I was physically harmed and it happened in my own home, my rapist was not prosecuted. I have been blamed for my rape, questioned why I did not have security guards in and around my home or vicious guard dogs, by fellow members on this site. I was berated for not having fallen asleep with my phone in my hand, if I really wanted to prevent being raped. That is just the tip of the iceberg of what rape victims often encounter from their communities and society in general.

    In the US, victims of gang rapes are abused, shamed and insulted, their rapists treated like heroes for raping an unconscious or drunk young woman.

    I have seen rape victims being blamed for their own rapes in court, accused of bringing on their own rapes because of how they were dressed, where they were walking at any particular hour, for having consumed alcohol or drugs.

    There is a prevalence of not blaming the rapist in society and instead focusing on the victim and the actions of the victim.

    And if you think that does not constitute rape culture, then really, you exist in a state of denial about the matter.

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    You were saying?


    Please read what I said once more and see what I said, instead of repeating this same asinine assertion.

    A good trade school would go a long way in ensuring that people were not locked out of particular trades because they are women or minorities.

    Because they were minorities? Or because their work was sub-par?

    Alternatively, you could do excellent work and stand out for doing excellent work.
     
  14. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    I dont believe your stats---when I was in college I had to answer these ficking ambigous questions that if I said yes would have made me a rape victim! Just one of the 50 questions: have you ever had sex with a partner when you didnt feel like it! Yes rape will happen but I know of NOONE (besides the far right kooks and crazed muslims) that would condone or dismiss legitimate rape! Please! Er, sorry about your rape....thats terrible.
     
  15. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    learning a brand new trade is not advisable without a little bit of schooling....and tools!
     
  16. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Nope, too little money and body breaking work!
     
  17. sunnevershines Registered Member

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    Geez, what kind of police force you got? Sounds like there needs to be sensitivity training.....id push for that. Sorry
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you suggesting that the well known statistics on rape are wrong? Do you have anything better to substantiate it, aside from when you were in college?

    And "legitimate rape"?

    Christ!

    You are simply proving my point for me.

    Tools are expensive. You cannot buy them if you do not have a job with which to purchase them.

    When people are locked out of being able to learn a trade because of their ethnicity, then affirmative action will be the result. Instead of ranting about your having to work with inexperienced minorities and women, perhaps you should do some research into why women and minorities are not able to gain the valid experience necessary and look at the rate of minorities gaining apprenticeships and question how and why they are so low.

    My cousin is a carpenter. It is hard work. But he is very good at it and enjoys it. The money was never a factor. He does it because he loves the work, regardless of how much he is paid.

    The same as it is everywhere.

    If you think my story is bad.. Mine is nothing at all compared to what other rape victims go through. The legal system is a prime example of how rape culture exists and continues to exist in society. You may disagree or not believe the statistics, but the statistics I linked do not really represent just how bad it is. The reality is far worse.
     
  19. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    If only 32% of "rapes" are reported, how does one assure the accuracy of that percentage?
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    Through survey's.

    New studies have shown that the number of unreported rapes may be significantly higher than previously thought, even after taking into consideration the fact that the definition of "rape" can be slightly different or account for different acts and the new study found that what we knew before as being just the tip of the iceberg and the number of unreported rapes may in fact be much much higher.
     
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    Who did the "studies" and what controls were in place? What was their education and education level and GPA, what sex were they, were they married, divorced, or single? Male or female? Attractive or butt ugly?
    Have you personally investigated the surveyors in your quoted "studies"

    It seems much like made up numbers to score a point by biased individuals.

    A few years ago, we had a real problem in this country as/re child sexual assault. Many of the interviews that led to arrest and conviction were done by "social workers" with little formal training in interviewing standards, psychology, or statistics.
    When tapes of some of the interviews were exposed, much of the psychology community were aghast at the leading questions and grossly inappropriate conclusions. Following which many cases resulted in retrials and acquittals.
    eg: "Did he touch you here?"------indicating the crotch-----better would have been "Did he touch you here?" indicating a shoulder or a foot, followed by "Did he touch you anywhere else?". Small children are likely to respond to adults as they perceive what the adult wants to hear. (as are we all)

    If you ain't skeptical of these "studies" then you are their ideal target audience. (and just a tad gullible)

    Margaret Mead spoke and wrote at length about biases introduced by the interviewer in the interview process. She considered the problem of isolating the interviewer's bias from the interview process a serious problem worthy of significant study.
     
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  22. Bells Staff Member

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    Let the trolling begin..

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    Clicking on links is hard?

    And if you do not trust the many university studies from around the US, not to mention law enforcement organisations, the CDC and various health organisations data, then perhaps you can provide something more substantial?

    And are you trying to suggest that women are like children in that they can be easily influenced? I do not even want to know what her looks have to do with it.
     
  23. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    DUH

    First person second link:
    Candace Kruttschnitt who received a score of B- from her students------------
    wowie zowie
     
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