Justification of racism

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Islamsmylife, Nov 29, 2009.

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  1. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Actually, I'm a tad skeptical whenever one feels the need to compare women to children in order to tell us to doubt the rape problem in our society.

    I mean, talk about desperate.
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    It's the practice that was common - universal - up until the affirmative action laws forbade it. So how would you address the situation?

    It's not an ideal situation, dividing the applicant pool into "races" and requiring that one hire from every subpool, but it's not going to hurt the quality of the hires very much unless one of the subpools has no high quality hires in it. Is that what you are claiming?

    Or are you trying to make excuses for the results of having an incompetent white guy hire from the black pool? Affirmative action does not require one to hire just any black guy who comes along, after all - although that would be the incompetent white bureaucrat's likely first response. How many times have we heard "they all look alike to me"? That guy should not be doing the hiring. But he is, often.

    To someone who has never met a white racist, or seen much sexual violence and threat on TV, maybe. On the other hand, they match the anecdotal experiences and "common sense" practices and media portrayals surrounding the average citizen. The percentage reported, 32, seems likely to me, just from what I've seen and heard - maybe it's way off, maybe even 50? 55?: does that change the argument very much?

    Let's say those numbers were wrong: what numbers would both match the common sense of life and be acceptable in one's society - in no need of special attention?
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  5. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

    Yeah, I have to admit, one can't take anything that sunnevershines seriously: these claims are either lies or delusions.
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    I was not addressing "the rape problem" I was addressing the validity of claimed evidence as to frequency.
    Citing years of wrong "studies/interviews" was an indicator of potential flaws embodied within the cited studies.

    Do read Margaret Mead's words on the subject of biased interviews----then work forward to the biases of the current studies under discussion. (she was married to one of my favorites--as I read him, so too did I read her)
    How were the studies conducted? By whom? What are their qualifications?

    Rape is an assault. Those who feel the need and act on that need to rape someone should go to prison. There is claimed to be much rape in those places.

    I know almost nothing of rapist aside from what I read in psychology journals, one of which declared that rape was more of a power thing than a sexual thing.
    Personally, I'm a timid shy fellow whose initial copulations were mostly initiated by women.

    I don't remember if I posted this in the rape culture thread-so:
    When I was a teenager, I read an article about a rape trial, in which the defendant(asshole) said: "I hadda rape her your honor. You shoulda seen what she was wearing.". And the(asshole) judge admonished the victim to behave more lady like; And let the defendant off with a virtual slap on the wrist.

    That was just wrong in any civilized society!
    Much like the thread I started as/re affluenza.
    Justice should be blind, but not stupid.
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    But little is reported - right? Those who want to address rape in prison are always dealing in estimates from surveys and anecdotes from victims, because everyone knows the true incidence is much higher than the count of reports. Is that supposed to have no implications for the outside world?

    Just as everyone knows the gangs in prison are racially aligned, products of racism among the inmates. Apparently there are no implications for the outside world to be found in that circumstance - racism starts and stops at the prison doors, according to posters here, just as it stopped in 1966 or whenever the magic law was passed in the outer world.
    Again: are there any arguments being made that depend on the exact frequency, if so what actual frequency would fail to support those arguments, and is it realistic?

    In other words: what's your point?
    It's not just him. That specific response was to a post of sculptor's (137), and we have seen similar claims from several posters here.
  9. Bells Staff Member

    Or just call it what it is.

    Pure racism.
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    "Well, that's the news from Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average."
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

    Mod Hat ― The obvious question ....

    With other matters are settled, an obvious question remains: Why do I leave this thread open?

    No, really, it's an old thread and every time it pops up I defer to that perverse political correctness that says shutting it down is still shutting down; and it falls back down the ladder.

    And then it pops back up again.

    And I ask the question again: Why do I leave this thread open?

    So let us try another obvious question: What are the chances that the next time this thread pops up it will actually include a useful, arguable, potentially real justification for racism?

    I mean really. But that, in a way, answers the first: If there is a useful, arguable, potentially real justification for racism, whoever thinks they've figured it out can open a new thread.

    Thank you all for tolerating these repeated inflammations; we'll at least make someone try to open a new thread when they think they've finally figured out just how much smarter than the rest of us they really think they are.
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