Is this real maths or somebody winding me up?

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  1. amber Registered Member

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    Would a+b = a.b?

    Would a and b retain their individual properties?


    E(e-)

    +


    E(+1e)

    =

    a.b

    a+b=Physicality?

    a.b=a.b
     
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  3. amber Registered Member

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    N+(e-)+(+1e)=>4/3πr³

    This abstract states Neutral plus positive and negative energy equate to a bigger sphere?


    The sphere increase in volume, gains more mass, but remains N? I believe objects expand when energy is added?
     
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  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    What do the arrows mean? I that one of your personal undefined symbols?
    What does E(e-) mean?
    What does a.b mean.
    What do you mean by physicality?
     
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  7. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    As far as I can tell that post is devoid of any meaning.
    That is like saying Tuesday plus a cat results in a velocity change...
     
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  8. amber Registered Member

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    E= electric field
    arrow = vector
    (see Maxwell's equations)

    e- is negative

    +1e is positive


    a is e-

    b is +1e

    a.b dot product

    Physicality means it becomes/is a real object.

    physicality
    fɪzɪˈkalɪti/
    noun
    1. the fact of relating to the body as opposed to the mind; physical presence
     
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  9. amber Registered Member

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    I did say it was abstract, it is a statement in maths symbols to show the process action/event.


    We start with a Neutral object N

    we then add positive and negative energy +(e-)+(+1e)

    The object expands.>4/3πr³

    N+(e-)+(+1e)=>4/3πr³

    In my mind this explains the Universal expansion, the fields are expanding and field density is increasing .

    Dark matter and dark energy also explained.

    The ''soup'' is gaining more ''viscosity.''

    Orbits may slow down. Our solar system may end up in a steady state.

    Added, the object will always measure N.
     
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  10. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Since you make up definitions I had to ask.
    e- is the symbol for an electron. e+ is the symbol for a positron. An electron will have an electric field pointing towards the electron. A positron will have an electric field pointing away from it.

    e- and e+ are not vectors so they cannot have a dot product.
    You can have a dot product of 2 locations in the fields they produce.

    Again since you make up symbols and definitions it is important to ask to understand your question.
    The answer is yes it is a physicality. 2 charged particles will have electric fields and you can determine the direction and strength of the combined fields at a certain point in the fields.
     
  11. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    If you are so abstract that your statement is meaningless that is rather pointless.
    Meaningless. How do you add positive and negative energy. What is negative energy?
    What you have written is N + 2 electrons = the equation for the volume of a sphere.
    Meaningless
     
  12. amber Registered Member

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    I have not written +2 electrons, I have written two opposite poles.

    I explained it


    We start with a Neutral object N

    we then add positive and negative energy +(e-)+(+1e)

    The object expands.>4/3πr³

    N+(e-)+(+1e)=>4/3πr³


    I did say it was abstract, it is a statement in maths symbols to show the process action/event. I am using it as a language.

    A Neural object gains energy , this energy has a negative and a positive polarity and measures neutral. When this object gains this energy, the objects expands. This is just a fundamental look at the process is simple form without quantities. To explain the same sentence using maths symbols, I will make it even more short hand,

    N+E=>4/3πr³

    Can you understand this now?

    Maybe if you can learn my ''language'', you will understand I better , I am trying to understand your language and learning your math ''language''.

    N is the sphere...

    4/3πr³ + E = >4/3πr³

    p.s In your terms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion

    The coefficient of thermal expansion(Y) describes how the size of an object changes with a change in temperature.


    I am describing how the size of a field changes with a change in energy and polarity.


    added- please try to understand the below sentence:

    ΔE=ΔkE=ΔT=Δ4/3πr³

    If you can read the above sentence, you can read the below sentence:


    EΔ=Δ(q1+q2)


    E = electrical field

    E=energy

    q1 is polarity pos
    q2 is polarity neg
     
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  13. amber Registered Member

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    Maybe this is your language when explaining universal expansion?

    ΔL/L = ∝ L ΔS

    or


    EΔL/L = ∝ LΔS ???

    ΔT=ΔS

    Δt=ΔS

    ΔL=ΔS

    ΔR³=ΔS
     
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  14. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Opposite poles? We are talking about charged masses not magnets. So what you mean is you have to particles or masses with positive and negative charges.

    This is no better. You are saying a Neutral object with a positive charge added and a negative charge added equals the equation for the volume of a sphere.
    That is meaningless.
    It is so abstract that it is meaningless. Your math symbols are used incorrectly and convey nothing. You are using the language incorrectly to the point I do not know what you are trying to say...

    Maybe... Are you trying to say that if the energy of an object is increased the mass will increase? Along the lines of relativistic mass?

    I have no desire to learn your 'language'. If you want to discuss science it is up to you to learn the language of science.

    That means that E=0. So that is pointless.

    Note the term thermal! It is an expansion due to temperature.

    Nowhere did you describe a field change due to a change in energy and polarity. Is that what you thought you did?

    That is too convoluted to have any meaning.
    You should stick to trying to explain with words your math is all screwed up. It would be like me trying to explain what the Olympics are in Swahili by looking up 10 or 15 words in that language - it isn't going to work!

    PS. Are all of the 'Es' in the first "equation" supposed to be Energy and not the electric field. This won't help much, just curious.
     
  15. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    That again is wrong or just plain meaningless.
     
  16. amber Registered Member

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    Yes the E's in the first ''equation'' are energy where the E with a vector arrow is an electrical field.



    I understand the difficultly in learning somebody else's devised math. Maybe I should return to words, which may or may not be better.

    I am saying of opinion, that if the energy of an object is increased ΔE, there is affect . Firstly the affect is a kinetic excitement increase ΔkE , this then raises the temperature ΔT , the object will then expand ΔR³ , all this a consequence and equal in action to ΔE.
    Yes the object gains relative mass, if a field density was to increase in a volume of space, the field density would gain relative mass.


    In your terms no, In my simple terms yes.


    E in Maxwell's equations is an electrical field vector, the direction the field is going directly proportional to the inverse.


    This field is neutral in polarity , a dot product of a positive field (a) and a negative field (b) to result in a.b=N. The N is neutral.

    ΔN is equal to a change in polarity, i.e polarised

    Do you disagree with this?

    Gravity is that N is attracted to N in my opinion of the quantum physics involved.

    N is also repulsed by N to give physicality and space time ''fabric''.


    The r of n1 and n2 = 0 where r is radius .
     
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  17. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    If it was actually math that had some logic then maybe it would be worth it, but unfortunately your confusion and lack of knowledge combined with your redefining terms makes the whole posts gibberish.

    There is no such thing as kinetic excitement!
    If I put a large static charge onto a mass its temperature will not change. If I increase the speed of an object outside of the atmosphere it's temperature will not change. If I add THERMAL energy most materials will expand.
    Fields do not have mass, well maybe corn fields.
    That is nonsense.
    Only in ONE spot in the fields will that be true. It most areas of the 2 field the combined fields will NOT cancel each other.
    Remember that you defined a and b as charges, now they are fields???? You cannot even keep this shit straight!
    Wrong.
    I pretty much disagree with everything you have written in this entire thread.
     
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  18. amber Registered Member

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    Before you think this wrong, we now need to go back to the discussion of the matrix's and I have you a question.


    Let us define a 3*3*3 mono-pole Cartesian coordinate matrix that the internal energy is positive charge.


    Let us define two points in the matrix

    u[0,0,1] and v[0,0,2]

    My question; What gravity does the matrix have?

    What mass does the matrix have?

    What forces exist between the two defined matrix points?


    added- would this be true for the two points?

    <u[0,0,1]+u[0,0,0]+u[0,0,-1]+u[0,0,-2] ................>

    <v[0,0,2]+u[0,0,3]+u[0,0,4]+u[0,0,5]..................>

    Would the above not be the transpose affect of the force ?

    The dimensions of my matrix become a new matrix AT?

    My new matrix is n*n*n ? any dimensional??
     
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  19. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    unfortunately there is no need to look any further into your question because your defined matrix is nonsense.

    I think you are trying to use technical sounding words to give your ideas a sense of legitimacy and all you are accomplishing is writing nonsense. Use language that is as plain as possible and maybe you can make your point - I have no idea what your point is other than heating something up makes it expand in most cases, which is obvious.
     
  20. amber Registered Member

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    I have it explained it very simple, but ok if I need to explain my opinion even simpler.


    In one hand you have a light sphere that is a mono pole positive polarity, why can this sphere not exist? Because it will be in a continuous expansion because every point in the volume is repulsive to every other point .
     
  21. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Just to let you know a 3*3*3 matrix would have 27 elements, not 3.
     
  22. amber Registered Member

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    who said it wouldn't ,

    3 * 3 = 9 * 3 = 27
     
  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I admire your persistence. But the only valid purpose in engaging someone like this is so that nonsense does not lie on the forum unchallenged. It's plain, from both this and past incarnations, that he can't learn. Another Walter Mitty, like Reiku but without the brains

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