Infinite past... with a beginning?

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  1. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know time beyond your subjective experience of time. Our concept of objective time is what we believe time is. Believe.
    EB
     
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  3. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    LOVE has always been, assuring he will always be.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Love is a social function which depends on social entities for its existence.
     
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  7. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Love is the ultimate fundamental to nature and the universe.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    How would you demonstrate love without something to do the loving and - probably - something to be loved?
     
  9. river

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    And She will always be , because LOVE has always been , of course .
     
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  11. river

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    James R ; to your post #2 ; point #7 , agreed .
     
  12. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Theologically, what I know is that love is quantifiable greatest thing in the universe in at least two ways.
     
  13. river

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    These two way are ?
     
  14. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    The greatness of it, and your other is numero uno.
     
  15. river

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    Disagree

    Both of us are numero uno .
     
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  16. fess Registered Senior Member

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    Love is an electro-chemical process in the brain, like fear, joy....etc
     
  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    So that's all you have to offer? No description of such a notion of objective time, and how this might lead to an infinite past having a beginning? No? Nothing?
     
  18. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    I only talked about the "logical possibility" of an infinite past with a beginning.
    I provided several examples.
    All apply to "objective time".
    EB
     
  19. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    There is a difference between, "forever" and, "for all eternity." This has been displayed in the film, "The Mummy." "Forever", is without a beginning, "for all eternity" continues from the present into the future without end. Time is, "for all eternity." It has a beginning, but no end.

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  20. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    I will love you forever. Beginning.
    Sure, so does "eternity" on its own.
    So, what's the problem if there's a beginning to eternity?
    EB
     
  21. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You've provided nothing but your claim to be able to imagine it, and your description of an infinite past with a beginning as being an infinite past that had a beginning. No examples. Nothing. Just hot air.
    Beyond that you've simply resorted to arguing semantics in an effort to paper over the gaping hole of logic in your claim.
    Eternity has no endpoint. An infinite past with a beginning, however, has two end points: "now" at one end and "the beginning" at the other. A series with closed ends is finite, not infinite. Thus any past with a beginning is finite.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    1. You can not "know" anything theologically. You can only believe it.
    2. Love can only be expressed by actions - words can be empty - and actions may or may not be quantifiable. For example, do you love your child "more" if you send him to Harvard instead of community college?
    3. Love may or may not be "the greatest thing" in human society and/or in other animal societies. It is not the greatest thing everywhere in the universe, on the surface of the sun, for example.
    4. Love has nothing to do with God, if that's what you're implying by "at least two ways."
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    To many LOVE is the most important thing known to man.
     

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