Infinite past... with a beginning?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Speakpigeon, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It's my right. The fallen angel has always been associated with light.
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    And it's my right to point out he nonsense.
     
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  5. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    But, all truth comes through faith.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    There's some nonsense right there. faith is one of the biggest obstacles to truth.
     
  8. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Belief is synomical to trust, and both result in truth.
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Trust is easily misplaced.
     
  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    When you can know when you trust someone.
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    As I said, trust is separate from truth.
     
  12. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Not separate. Truth is the means and trust the ends.
     
  13. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    The argument concerning infinity appears irrelevant. The essence is that a beginning is impossible.

    1. Everything has a cause.
    2. Time is required for anything to occur.
    3. A beginning implies there is no time beforehand.
    4. If there was a point where time did not exist (3) then there could not be an event to cause (2) a beginning.
    5. Since there was no beginning (4) then time has always existed.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's just gibberish.
     
  15. Speakpigeon Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I don't accept premise 1, premise 2, premise 3.
    I take 4 and 5 to be what you infer from your premises, so, obviously, I don't see your conclusions as necessary.
    EB
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Time (chronology) is only required after the beginning of change.
     
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  17. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    "In the beginning God was"
     
  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Citation please.
     
  19. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't back up your claim that "Truth is the means and trust the ends." Try to post something sensible.
     
  21. just me Registered Senior Member

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    If an instant can exist before forever in the past, infinite time could have begun in that instant.

    And infinity minus infinity can be a figure other than 0, because infinity plus any figure other than 0 is equal to infinity.
    so such an instant could have existed.
     
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  22. river

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    Think about this a little more , to your first statement . We all should .

    Figure out the reasoning . To me it is flawed .

    Repeat it to yourself , just me until you understand truly what you stated .
     
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  23. just me Registered Senior Member

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    Ok. How so?
     

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