George Zimmerman found Not Guilty.

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Saturnine Pariah, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    @ Wegs,

    The story is that GZ was lying on the ground and shot Trayvon while he was on top of him. GZ had no opportunity to retreat lying down and feared Trayvon would gain control of the gun which they were wrestling for.

    @ Electric Fetus,

    No. The missing time should have allowed Trayvon to go home have a snack, go to thje washroom, and then go back out. He was gone for at least a few minutes last seen 300 feet north of his house.

    This path and version of events was based on his last know whereabouts by zimmerman and also Trayvons GF.

    I'm honestly bored discussing the timeline. Try reading a newspaper.
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  3. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    kwhilborn, this part of the incident was always a bit hazy to me (in relation to the SYG law) so, thanks!
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  5. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    So? How is this proof he turned around and attack zimmerman?

    There are many version of events that could be based on that evidence.

    Leave then. This is one of those ad nauseum threads.
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  7. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    @ Electric Fetus,
    I never said I was bored with the topic, just with some ignorance here. I am just fed up trying to get you to accept what is believed by almost everyone (and witnessed)to be the plausible route. Your take seems to be Trayvon could have been marching around Disney World as far as we know.

    Okay name one. Show me a version believed by at least one other person (Besides your mom). Basically show me a version that is not made up in your own fantasy world that's based on known events.

    If Trayvon vanished from point A (crime scene) then after several minutes returned to point A it means that he was either heading back for a skittle refill, or had otherwise returned to point A for a mysterious reason.
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Yawn, appeal to popularity, first prove it is "believed by almost everyone", second it does not matter because majority belief does not make fact, third this route does not prove in anyway that martin turned back and that he turned back to attack zimmerman.

    Why is getting lost by confusion, backtracking to see if being chase, zimmerman having taken a very different route chasing martin passed his home,etc, not more probably then martin thinking he was 'marching around Disney World'.

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    Rachel Jenteal is insistent that Trayvon reached his dad’s fiancee’s house. Specifically, Trayvon was out of breath/laboring when Zimmerman appeared again. Trayvon Martin: “Why are you following me for?” Zimmerman: “What are you doing around here?” After this verbal exchange, a final chase started and ended with a bump/scuffle/grass noise/gunshot.

    At least 2 witnesses have stated they saw shadows running from south to north before the scuffle began and the shot was fired.

    Zimmerman has 2+ minutes to account for from when his call ended with police to when the scuffle with Trayvon Martin began. Any of the maps depicting a south to north chase account for this gap in time (since it would have taken time for Zimmerman to get from north to south on Retreat View Circle).

    Brandy Green – Tracy Martin’s girlfriend – stated the day after the murder that Trayvon was sitting on her porch and then somebody shot him up by the T.

    Or that he was chased to point A, or that he backtracked to see if he was really being followed, or that he got lost running and backtracked to point A, or he never moved pass point A, etc, but to you the only possibility was he went back to fight and rightfully be killed.
  9. Balerion Banned Banned

    Why do you always agree with the crank in a given thread? There are several other people giving better explanations of the events, yet you inexplicably decide to subscribe to the most hateful, angry person's account, which no one with two brain cells to rub together would ever take seriously. What gives?
  10. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member


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    He clarified a point regarding the SYG law, and I thanked him for that clarification.

    I don't subscribe to 'anyone.'
    It should be pretty plain throughout this thread, that I disagreed with the outcome of the GZ trial, and with kwhilborn's assertions relating to it.

    Your accusation was uncalled for; be nice.
  11. Balerion Banned Banned

    My apologies. I misread the context of your post.
  12. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    No worries, thank you.

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  13. kwhilborn Banned Banned

    @ Balerion,

    It is interesting. I have been labelled a racist and now "most hateful, angry" person for arguing that All people (regardless of race/class) should have a presumption of innocence during a trial, and showing reasonable doubt does exist. I also have no anger as I feel Justice prevailed.

    It is the hatemongering morons here ready to hang GZ without any sort of fair trial, following their own vigilante mob rule (like you) who are the hateful and angry sort.

    I am quite pleased with the outcome. GZ was found not guilty and we have one less gun dealer on the streets.

    Yet it is your brain cells that are arguing a case that was common sense to the police which is why the never arrested Zimmerman, and then when the media noodleheads started arguing with only half the facts an arrest was made in which Zimmerman was able to get an easy "Not Guilty" verdict.

    Yes. It is a known fact you are arguing a loser position. Enjoy being a loser. Embrace it, and free up your own two brain cells.

    @ Electric Fetus,

    No. I said post a theory that is different from mine. If you ignore the "possible routes" they suggest in your new version you will notice the accepted and know routes both put Zimmerman at the Point A, T intersection/crime scene shortly after Trayvon was there.

    If GZ could see Trayvon then he would not have continued in the path your "possible route" (yellow dots) describes.

    So the question is still ... How did Trayvon get back to point A (as I said in my last post)?

    Now your theory you are posing is still like every other description except it suggests what occurred during the missing few minutes. There was 100 seconds between GZ hanging up and 911 calls describing a fight. This person and you suggest that was enough tiome for GZ to circle the entire complex and chaseTrayvon from his home.

    The GZ "possible route" described is 4 times longer than the "possible route" Trayvon had to get home. Was Trayvon crawling on his back? How do you account for his slow movements? It was raining also.

    Trayvon was a football player and could have traversed his "possible route" over 31 times in the 218 (3.5 minutes) seconds between being lost from sight and the 911 calls reporting a fight.

    Okay so now you suggest that Trayvon was beside his house and Zimmerman had circled the entire complex and the chased Martin FROM HIS HOUSE SURROUNDED BY HIS PARENTS AND BROTHERS.

    You are suggesting that someone running for help would run away from his home.

    You are suggesting that 5'7" fat Zimmerman caught the athletic 6'2" Trayvon in a chase scenario.

    I suppose it is as plausible as everything else you have suggested, but those of us living in reality might doubt those assumptions you make.

    At 1:28-1:30 of your picture it says "Zimmerman craps his pants". Does this infer he has fear of Trayvon? Yet only a minute later the same person suggests it was Trayvon who was shitting his pants, and that he was too stupid to run into his house while being chased by a fat guy.

    Yes. Great Scenario. Try again.

    If - if -if that scenario was even partially correct and GZ did circle the homes, I think it would be Trayvon who would get mad and Chase Zimmerman, but I believe he was jumped while walking back to his car as described.

    One more thing. Your newer version has the cell phone being knocked to the ground outside Trayvons house, yet it was found at Point A/T intersection/ Crime scene.
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    The possible route is the theory, the known routes don't even get to the murder scene.

    Who said he could?

    He walked there along the path described?

    Yes, using a car length as a ruler I would say that path is ~162+/-41 m that can be traveled in 100 seconds at a speed of 3.6+/-0.9 mph
    Again Martin may have stop to talk on the phone, backtracked to see if being followed, passed his house as he was being chased, all of which account for his movements more then "crawling on his back.

    All the more to get lost/confused if being chased.

    Let me get this straight: if one thinks they are being followed and don't run flat out for home than they deserve to die? For all we know he as walking most of that time!

    Yes, there is plenty of logical reasons to explain this: if your being chased do you want to bring a psycho/murder to your family? If your being chased, in the dark, in the rain, passing through an complex of identical buildings you might get confused where home is and where you are?

    I'm suggesting someone running away from a threat, yes.

    I'm suggesting that the skinner Zimmerman of that time could have caught up with his victim who was dithering on the phone, walking most of the time, or even confused about exact position and back tracked, yes.

    I see no reason to doubt martin turned back to attack zimmerman more. Most of us living in reality don't just suspect every black boy is a thug deserving a bullet in his chest.

    Again the photos of him taken hours after the crime show is was not "fat" then. More so the "craps his pants" was a joke, jeez.

    Why not he has got several, just click the link.

    You believe, so this is just a matter of your faith than?

    Again I'm not making any alternate pathway nor advocating this one, merely suggesting any other pathway is still possible for many valid reasons then the one you back.

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