You are right, I did post before reading your reply to iceaura. Also, I didn't get through the pages in the linked posts, only skimmed them. I felt that I should give my little rant about infinities because I am not on-board with the defeat of determinism by the QM theory of uncertainty that is characterized by the wave function. My view is that determinism is defeated by the infinites of time and energy and space. But contrary to QM's wave function, my view is that the particle/wave duality occurs because the energy changes from particle to wave and back to particle at an infinitesimal level that is too small to be observed or even detected. But the energy of a particle is either in wave form or particle form at any given instant. The wave form is a spherically expanding quantum wave that expands out of a high density spot. The particle form is the collapse of energy that occurs when a quantum of energy is accumulated in the space where expanding quantum waves overlap. That quantum of energy collapses into a high density spot which "bounces" off of a limit of energy density and bursts into an expanding quantum wave. Sorry for this second rant but I wanted to point out that to me the energy of a particle always has location and momentum, we just can't detect it. There is a reality at the quantum level in my view. This view has been taken to mean that determinism is supported by this reality, but as I said, to me determinism is defeated by the infinities.