Determinism and Reason

samcdkey said:
Where is mine?

I demand a warmfuzzy. :mad:
Sam, no matter what my mood fluctuations, I always hold you in the highest regard. I'd give you a hug and a kiss if I could.
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superluminal said:
Sam, no matter what my mood fluctuations, I always hold you in the highest regard. I'd give you a hug and a kiss if I could.
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I'm totally satisfied.
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Eeeeek...

and I thought the threads got weird in the Religion Section....


:)


sam, if you're still around, you should reframe that one post and start a thread in the Ethics section with regard to Free-will. Interestingly, the 'forced-choice' situation you brought up is quite close fundamentally to the classic of all classic ethical/game theory scenarios, The Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
glaucon said:
Eeeeek...

and I thought the threads got weird in the Religion Section....


:)

I have a tendency to infect all forums with weirdness. No discrimination policy.

sam, if you're still around, you should reframe that one post and start a thread in the Ethics section with regard to Free-will. Interestingly, the 'forced-choice' situation you brought up is quite close fundamentally to the classic of all classic ethical/game theory scenarios, The Prisoner's Dilemma.

The Nazi prisoner?
 
samcdkey said:
I have a tendency to infect all forums with weirdness. No discrimination policy.



The Nazi prisoner?
Do I rat out my buddy before he rats me out to get a lighter sentence? Or do I keep my mouth shut, hoping he will too and we both get off? Or if we both rat each other out, then were really screwed! Oh what to do!!!
 
glaucon said:
LOL

Nice.... ordinariness is so..... ordinary.

:)

No danger of that here. No one had ever accused me of that sin.

Yep.

Check this out, I think you'll like it:
Prisoner's Dilemma

Yes I do.

Most of my knowledge of philosophy is based on Eastern tradition and related to science; I have some catching up to do here. :)
 
samcdkey said:
Most of my knowledge of philosophy is based on Eastern tradition and related to science; I have some catching up to do here. :)

Nice.

Well, this stuff is relatively contemporary. Game-theoretical approaches to ethics was kind of an outgrowth of the early 20th Century Positivism and its heavy anti-metaphysical position. Oddly enough, the renewal in 20th Century ethics owes a great deal to many disciplines that could be said to run quite contrary to ethics in general. If it weren't for the reductionist and materialist movements, we wouldn't have much going on in ethics these days. As a fun sidebar, the Prisoner's Dilemma, some argue, was first established by the economist John Nash, the guy who was played by Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind.
 
baumgarten said:
As for quantum mechanics, the theory is highly interpretive, and a determinist would no doubt favor the Bohmian "hidden variables" interpretation.
Thankfully the hidden variable postulate was disproven some time ago. Read about the EPR paradox and Bell's experiments. No QM experts dispute that at least on the quantum level, determinism flys out the window.
 
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