Why do you say they defy logic? The concept of infinity (which is merely a fancy and more easily pronounced word for "boundlessness") is well established in science. As for centers, they are often defined arbitrarily by humans. The earth has a center, but then we discovered that the earth revolves around the sun, so the solar system has a center 130 million km away from the earth's center. Then we discovered the galaxy, which has a center quite a bit further away than that. Then we discovered the universe, Hubble Volume, whatever you want to call it. BTW, I'll certainly defer to the knowledge of the astronomers who are posting here, but isn't the notion that the universe is infinite and has no center very old-school? Now they're saying that it's a sphere 93 billion light years in diameter, with a center right where the center of any sphere is: equidistant from all points on the surface. Garbonzo must be older than me (1943) to not have gotten that memo. Well... as I've often complained, most scientists are dismally bad communicators who mangle whichever language they happen to speak. Just look at their two confusing uses of the word theory in "The Theory of Evolution," which is part of the canon of science, and "String Theory," which is a bunch of arm-waving. I prefer to use a combination of science's terminology and yours:A theory is a hypothesis that has been proven true beyond a reasonable doubt. It's not a survival trait for humans, but it is a survival trait for their religions. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Since we've ventured into the realm of proper use of language (a realm over which I claim sovereignty as the Moderator of Linguistics Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!), let's be careful NOT to suggest a distinction between humans and apes. Humans ARE apes, merely one species of them. Humans, orangutans, the two species of gorillas and the two species of chimpanzees comprise the family Hominidae, colloquially called "Great Apes." Combined with the family Hylobatidae, colloquially called "Lesser Apes," which includes 16 species of gibbons, we comprise the superfamily Hominoidea, "apes." We are also (working our way up the taxonomic tree) primates, mammals, chordates, animals, and eukaryotes.