Cause of the Big Bang

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machiaventa

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Dear Fellows:
I just finished reading a paper on the origin of the Universe.The most interesting theory was that in the beginning Gravity, strong and weak Nuclear forces and elctromagnetism existed as one entity. When gravity split off the Big Bang was the result. Once gravity no longer held these forces together the result was the big bang. I believe for this to work Hydrogen and Helium already must have existed in large quanties. H-70% Helium- 30% ratio probably. In other words the Universe in one form or another has always been there.:D:shrug:


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machiaventa said:
The most interesting theory was that in the beginning Gravity, strong and weak Nuclear forces and elctromagnetism existed as one entity. When gravity split off the Big Bang was the result.
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This modern Big Bang myth sounds similar to the ancient Greek myth. The difference is that they now have four forces instead of four elements. But the ancients also had one more, fifth element, called the ether.
 
Yorda said:
This modern Big Bang myth sounds similar to the ancient Greek myth. The difference is that they now have four forces instead of four elements. But the ancients also had one more, fifth element, called the ether.
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Read some more.The Greeks were refering the human body not the Universe.

Machiaventa
 
Yorda said:
This modern Big Bang myth sounds similar to the ancient Greek myth. The difference is that they now have four forces instead of four elements. But the ancients also had one more, fifth element, called the ether.
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Ether you believe that or you don't. The choice is yours.
 
machiaventa said:
Read some more.The Greeks were refering the human body not the Universe.

Machiaventa
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"In Greek mythology, Chaos or Khaos is the original state of existence from which the first "gods" appeared. In other words, the dark void of space. It is made from a mixture of what the Ancient Greeks considered the four elements: earth, air, water and fire."

"Together the four concepts represent the primal, fundamental state of the beginning, they are what always was. In the myth, however, their interaction ultimately proved to be unbalanced, resulting in the arising of a new entity ("Big Bang"). When the entity opened, it revealed Ra, the fiery sun, inside. After a long interval of rest, Ra, together with the other deities, created all other things."

Myles said:
Ether you believe that or you don't. The choice is yours.
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the ether wasn't really an element because it was made of the 4 elements. it's like the super-force that scientists are looking for. the unification of the 4 forces
 
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Hum,
yes, i would agree.
Khaos was the cause.

ie, if you have a glass of water there is a non zero chance that one day, someday, it will all just jump out, and for no apparent reason.
 
machiaventa said:
I just finished reading a paper on the origin of the Universe.The most interesting theory was that in the beginning Gravity, strong and weak Nuclear forces and elctromagnetism existed as one entity. When gravity split off the Big Bang was the result. Once gravity no longer held these forces together the result was the big bang.
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Not exactly. The four forces (including gravity) are thought to have separated from one another at different times following the start of the big bang. The splits happened as the average temperature of the universe decreased sufficiently due to the expansion.

I believe for this to work Hydrogen and Helium already must have existed in large quanties. H-70% Helium- 30% ratio probably.
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I don't think so. The four forces were already separate before any helium nuclei could form. (Hydrogen nuclei are simply protons.)

In other words the Universe in one form or another has always been there.:D:shrug:
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There is no evidence for that one way of the other, yet.
 
I devised a wild, somewhat audasity-fuelled idea, totally based on solipsm. If the Strong Anthropic Principle is correct, then in all definition, the cause of big bang would be us, because it cae into existence with these conditions, required for life...
 
Yorda said:
"In Greek mythology, Chaos or Khaos is the original state of existence from which the first "gods" appeared. In other words, the dark void of space. It is made from a mixture of what the Ancient Greeks considered the four elements: earth, air, water and fire."

"Together the four concepts represent the primal, fundamental state of the beginning, they are what always was. In the myth, however, their interaction ultimately proved to be unbalanced, resulting in the arising of a new entity ("Big Bang"). When the entity opened, it revealed Ra, the fiery sun, inside. After a long interval of rest, Ra, together with the other deities, created all other things."



the ether wasn't really an element because it was made of the 4 elements. it's like the super-force that scientists are looking for. the unification of the 4 forces
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Makes you wonder if they were up to something......
 
The Egyptians had a universe from four elements too.

As to the cause of the big bang, that's easy. Red shift and CMB. Without them, people would have come up with a more realistic theory.
 
science can never find the absolute cause of anything because science has to do with observing things. and a cause cannot be observed because everything that can be observed is an effect, not the actual cause.
 
Yorda:

Together the four concepts represent the primal, fundamental state of the beginning, they are what always was. In the myth, however, their interaction ultimately proved to be unbalanced, resulting in the arising of a new entity ("Big Bang"). When the entity opened, it revealed Ra, the fiery sun, inside. After a long interval of rest, Ra, together with the other deities, created all other things."
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Ra is Egyptian. Helios is Greek.
 
OilIsMastery said:
If you want to know the cause of the Big Bang go look in the religion forum.
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The big bang idea is science's equivalent of creationism. Believers invent ever more impossible things to keep the idea going.

eg:

Dogma: Dark energy is making the universe expand.
Critic: How do you know dark energy exists?
Dogma: The universe is expanding, isn't it? That's proof.

:D
 
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