Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites?

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Vindicator, Oct 19, 2007.


Is Watson Right, Are Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites?

  1. Yes, Watson is Right, Whites are More Intelligent

  2. No, Watson is Wrong, Blacks are More Intelligent

  3. No, Watson is Jumping the Gun, there is No Evidence Pointing Either Way

  4. What is "Intelligence?"

  5. No, Watson is wrong. Whites and blacks are equally intelligent.

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  1. Gustav Banned Banned

    ahh yes
    you actually think i am gonna buy into that junk science
    you do seem to spell and articulate better than your compatriots

    you are confused
    tits and ass, leroy, are an example of natural selection. an evolution
    from wrinkled folds of flesh to a beverly hills boob job
    from pancake asses to bubble butts

    and if you wish
    i will bury you in citations
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  3. Gustav Banned Banned

    instinctively eh?

    you animal you
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  5. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

    and that is why you are a complete ****** just like any medical doctor. If variation in intelligence is only determined for 30% by genetic factors, and you can increase someone's IQ by 10-15 points by just putting him in a special program it is obvious that the likes of you have been f***ing your fellow citizens over and use the results of your f***ing them as an excuse to f*** them more.
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  7. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

    This question is for all readers: Why do we need to know which is the more intelligent race? Why is it a fact that needs to be accepted by any one? I,nor should you need to be validated by someone telling us that we are the most intelligent. The basics are that we all need the same things to thrive: Love, some sort of healthly nutrition, and a since of belonging. I desprately look forward to the day when "we can all just get along," and not need to settle the argument "Who's is bigger?" - Markisha , Baltimore,
  8. peta9 Registered Senior Member

    that is true when someone's current state is used against them as set in stone. Evolution and nature is in a constant state of flux and subject to the environment. That doesn't mean one person is necessarily isn't more or less intelligent than another but it does mean they have the inherent capacity to evolve to the fullest potential nature can allow just as the next organism.

    that is why there is no such thing as inherent superiority as we are all equal in a very basic sense of 'potential'. Just all of us are at different stages and/or even evolving in our own unique ways and that's okay too. But it also means that to evolve can mean to change or mutate from what you were prior, that's just a fact of nature. Given any set of possible circumstances, africans theoretically could evolve to be quite different from either whites or asians and yet be just as intelligent.
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  9. Bells Staff Member

    Whites allow themselves their complex of superiority by denying minorities equal access to what they deem makes themselves superior. "This liberal fear" is not "fear", but a realisation of what is blatantly obvious.

    And it is intelligence, smart one.

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  10. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

    More claims made without back up. Who tried to do research and was stopped? And why, if you actually manage to come up with someone, did you assume everyone who tried got stopped.

    But here's the big question?

    If all research and and study has been stifled, how did you decide there is some truth we can't handle?

    What truth, Max?
  11. Vindicator The Advocate Registered Senior Member

    Interesting stuff... 8 people, at the time of posting, think whites are more intelligent (you can identify them by clicking the number of votes). Still, of course, no evidence has been furnished to indicate a genetic basis in support of these opinions.

    It seems many people here (not everyone, of course, some are on the right track) are confusing social circumstance with genetic influence. Big difference.

    As was stated elsewhere, statistics can be the biggest lie when trying to classify people on an individual basis. I don't think the world is ready for classification or races based on intelligence, however. Not if we want social stability.

    On a lighter note, regarding sport: one of my favourite movies, "Cool Runnings" is based on a true story where a bob-sledding team of Jamaicans (black guys) beat the US, Russia, Italy, and France, among other nations in a Winter Olympics in Lillehammer '94. There's no snow, or ice, in Jamaica. They train on a wooden thing, in Jamaica.

    Black men building a wooden machine in Jamaica to train for bob-sledding on ice, beating all those countries who have so much ice and snow, and bob-sledding rinks to train on... maybe it's too much... Is that physical prowess in sports, or downright intelligence?
  12. Carcano Valued Senior Member

    From an evolutionary point of view, it doesnt make sense that all human groups living in vastly different environments would have the same average intelligence...anymore than it would make sense to have the same average body weight or skin colour.

    Why do the Japanese have a lower average body weight, and higher average IQ than Europeans? There must be environmental reasons for it.

    The usual theory put forward is that colder climates evolve the higher intelligence needed to cope with them. They require the development of organized agriculture, tool making skills, clothing, architecture and so on.

    But I believe there have been many evolutionary factors created by society as well. Intelligence has taken a hand in its own evolution.

    Intelligence IS important...being the foundation of all higher civilization. Why didnt Homo Erectus create it? Because they werent smart enough.
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  13. Vega Banned Banned

    It's all in the genes. "Racial purity" thats what's it's all about. The purity of the white race must be preserved!
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

    Whats higher civilisation? The one that lives in harmony with the environment or the one that does not? Evolutionarily, the one that does not, effectively gets selected against.
  15. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

    According to whom? The research I've read shows that identical twins more or less score identically on IQ tests. They usually put the average heritability of IQ at .8 or .85. Not only that, but as one ages, the heritability of his intelligence increases. As one ages, the effects of environment almost completely disappear. Obviously it goes without saying that environmental factors can matter a lot; they just normally don't, provided they don't live in a particularly deprived environment.

    This stuff really gets you pretty emotional, huh? Sheesh.

    Anyway, if we know that brain size in relation to body size matters in intelligence (it has been shown repeatedly in studies that intelligent people have larger brains than dumb people), and we know that blacks have pretty small brains compared to other races (again, shown repeatedly in studies), shouldn't we guess that they would be less intelligent? If they were as intelligent, it would be strange that they somehow packed the same intelligence in a brain much smaller. But alas, just as Madan says, blacks score very poorly on nearly any standardized cognitive test you can give them. There's no reason to suggest that they have super effective tiny brains, after all. Although almost everything indicates that it is genetic and caused by the hardware, we have people screaming in outrage at the very idea.
  16. Carcano Valued Senior Member

    Whats harmony? The state in which half the population routinely dies of starvation, disease and exposure?

    Humans do all kinds of things which dont appear to have any evolutionary value. They expend huge energies over beauty, war, love, the ego, spirituality, etc.

    None of which our dear Dawkins can explain.
  17. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

  18. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

    All of you who are desperately defending the equality of one group with another, with as little evidence as there is for a difference between groups are funny. It' a very faith based approach. Good for you.

    You all are insisting that intelligence has nothing to do with skin color. How blatantly obvious is that? Good observation.

    Now, tell me again, without all of the hyperbole, why researching possible differences between delineated subgroups of a species (say blackbirds and redwinged blackbirds) is bad, other than you might piss off the redwinged blackbirds?

    Why are researchers allowed to study the mechanisms of pigmentation difference between human subgroups? Why do we even have this knowledge? Why are researchers allowed to study diseases that appear to correlate strongly with distinctions in subgroups?

    Why are they allowed to study the differences between subgroups regarding sicioeconomic status that are clearly and strongly correllated to subgroup distinctions like ethnic background?

    Can't we just decree that there are no differences? Oh. Wait. That's exactly what you're suggesting. Good idea.

    So. You all insist that there is no mechanism imaginable for a possible genetic basis, within a subgroup with some obvious and some subtle genetic distinctions, for a difference in average group performance on intelligence tests. Not remotely possible. And you have conclusive proof for this assertion.

    Interesting. How were you allowed to conduct such forbidden research? Do tell?
  19. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

    What? Those things you mentioned have no evolutionary explanation? God, the ignorance of the masses is astounding at times.
  20. superluminal I am MalcomR Valued Senior Member

    If you're serious, you're an idiot. If that was sarcasm, excellent!
  21. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

    Nicely said. The taboo's on the left must be adherred to with all the strictness of religious dogma.
  22. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

    Yeah, and all the while condemning any other religious dogma that doesn't fit their narrow, idealistic view of the world and of human glories.

    Baron Max
  23. Exhumed Self ******. Registered Senior Member

    Right, there is nothing close to conclusive evidence either way. That's why this is a pointless discussion. Other than for exposing some racists.

    There are real uses for that knowledge.
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