Are homosexuals born with this disorder or acquired?

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  1. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    The topic says all I am asking.
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    What disorder are you referring to?
     
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  5. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think homosexuality is a "disorder", although that is a term up for definition.

    Homosexuals are largely born that way. Who cares, anyway? They are our comrades as much as anybody else.

    Denying homosexuals rights is what capitalists do.
     
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  7. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    I am referring to disordered chromosone.
     
  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The brain is sexually determined prior to birth. While brain plasticity does allow for some modification, probably not enough to alter sexual identification.

    I wouldn't say it's a disorder. There seems to be good evidence that homosexual brain types gave our species an evolutionary advantage.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Which chromosome?

    Are you claiming that homosexuality is a "disorder"?

    If you're assuming the cause of homosexuality is genetic, then you've already answered your own question about whether homosexuality is "built in" or acquired (i.e. nature or nurture). Haven't you?
     
  10. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    What I want to know is...what is wrong with all you monosexuals???
    I mean, you absolutely just can't get into doing it with any gender? What causes this genetic disorder?
     
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  12. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    That doesn't mean that they are 'born' homosexual. I hope somebody could provide studies that show our brains can change depending on the way we use them. So it is completely possible that those brain differences noted are not due to any genetic or innate difference, but due to environmental influence. They in no way provide any evidence for the suggestion that homosexuality is biologically determined.
     
  13. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I pretty much agree with this comment, although capitalists are not the only ones who discriminate against homosexuals, IMO.

    Sexual orientation is largely determined by nature and may be reinforced by environment and social conditioning.

    A society should strive to provide equal opportunity for all of it's members and not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
     
  14. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    No it is not!!! Communist are just as likely to be like that as any Capitalist. I am a fucking Capitalist and I do not discriminate against any group . Not even you Commy . You need to get your facts straight and stop profiling people . God what is the matter with you. Am I homophobic ? I ask you am I . No I can even relate when I am in touch with Me feminine side . Your not helping Me feel very Motherly I might add with your derogatory remarks towards Me family values . You don't know what capitalism is is your problem . You also don't seem to realize what exploitation is either. You see it as a bad thing . That is not the case . That is modern indoctrination
    ( interpretation ) of an innocent word . A scape goat word is how I like to think of it . Consider this " If I promote something I exploit the thing I am promoting . Like you ! You exploit ! Yeah you do ! Communism is what you are exploiting right now . Like Me I am exploiting My musical talents . I exploit Mary Me Music partner.

    The New one is Evangelize . I don't know how this forum is going to deal with the new expression. As it is against the site rules . By the new definition implied just about all of us exploit and evangelize . You certainly are
     
  15. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    But unlike you, most of the people who come to this site aren't looking to "fix" the "problem" of gayness.
    They don't view it as needing fixed or as a problem.
    I'm fairly sure I know why you do, though.

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    Regarding homosexuality and capitalism?
    -The gay pride parade in our town now has big corporate sponsors...

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    itold: I still remember when it was subversive to be a flaming queer. I'm gettin' old.)
    -Housewares? dude...
    -Any 24-hour Home Depot in a really large city will almost always have a butch woman in it at any given time shopping...
    -One word: IKEA

    Yes I'm being facetious, but I'm sure you get the point. We're a market too...
     
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  16. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    You stepped in it big time . I know i don't like it at all when some one tells Me I have a " Disorder "
    Me thinks someone has a disorder , but I won't Hand OVER the name as a MATTER of fact . Do you get what my MIND is trying to tell you
     
  17. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    He is Catholic Chimpkin ?
     
  18. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Chimpkin that is to funny . My next door neighbor works at home depot . She is gay . Thank god I have friends that work there our I would never get any help .
     
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    He is asking whether or not homosexuality is genetic. Just a poor choice of words.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, the studies are extensive and repeatable. Open a Neuroscience text book and turn to the chapter on the brain and sex you'll find all you need to learn about genetic sex, phenotype sex, brain sex and sexual identity.

    During development, it's very easy to turn a male rat's brain female and likewise turn a female rat's brain male. Their subsequent behaviors are of the brain sex. Likewise, fMRI scans clearly show male homosexuals to have female patterning brains.

    Anyway, if you're interested in the science, get a text book. there's nothing shocking here. Neuroscientists have been running these experiments for 50+ years. It's pretty basic stuff TTYTT :shrug: Why the general lay public are ignorant of this basic science is beyond me.
     
  21. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Last time I checked...I can't remember the context, but he/she linked to some Catholic Church propaganda in some other thread, I think it was an anti-divorce pamphlet written by a priest...which...ummm...anyway...

    Yup...
    I also seem to remember a study out of the Netherlands that showed gay men reacted to each other's pheromones when put in a masking scent...less so for the pheromones of straight men, not at all for women's pheromones.
     
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  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    There are those famous studies on gay sheep (sic!):
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-03/ohs-bbh030804.php

    Homosexual behavior in animals is not rare:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals


    The thing is, of course, that you as a Catholic will take issue with regular science. Biology does not view humans as a species completely separate from animals, but instead sometimes contextualizes the findings about one species with the findings in other species.
    So if the findings for animals suggest that homosexuality is biologically determined - will you accept that it so for humans as well?
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The only disorder that they have is not being seen as just another person by people who have real disorders of not understanding or caring about people who don't look , think or act as they do.
     
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