Adult Aspergers - does it have evolutionary advantages?

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Is ASD a postive evolutionary advantage

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  1. ToR original Registered Member

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    The point being made is thus ... my early experience (2006-07 ish) taught me that 'YOU' and your comrades dislike this type of discourse in the 'science' forums

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  3. ToR original Registered Member

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    And yet as a species we're increasingly less social .... ?
    How do people who game and post online frequently, daily, hourly find time to socialise sufficiently to reproduce?
     
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  5. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    From the outset, apparently.

    Hubristic scattershot irrationalism? I can't imagine why anyone putting on a pretense of rational discourse would appreciate distraction-oriented surrogates for discourse, but, to the other, maybe you've just been looking in the wrong places; to some degree this site has gone out of its way to accommodate and even cultivate dysfunction.

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    More to the topic itself, there is evolutionary potential in spectral dysfunction, but it is mostly shrouded in question. To wit, as the underlying circumstance engages more and more fragmented thought with ever-increasing focal stimuli, how will these individuals relate to pathos; that answer will explain much about the shape and depth of evolutionary impact. To wit:

    • Without stronger accessible pathos, the evolutionary advantage of these (¿dys-?) functions is if they can be shaped into an efficient servile class capable of basic but multiphasic labor.

    • With stronger accessible pathos, some iterations of apparent disruption will be capable of subverting and exceeding the master class, thus ensuring and accelerating human extinction.​
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    using the usa as a single easy to refer to example. in areas of low density population, family sizes seem to be normalised as twice the size of most high density urban family sizes.

    the concept of "social" as a formative function of breeding seems to be non aligned to concepts of sustainability on a larger scale.

    superficially you could simply see if low density high family population areas are more self sufficient in growing their own food and making their own houses.
    assuming you can off set some type of balance for non material monetary wealth.

    i should imagine that the usa(white puratin genetics) has an innate genetic pre-disposition to over populate.

    however, attempting to find an equilibrim to the population increase to infant mortality rate as a naturalstate of the species is probably quite tricky.
    Bill & Melinda Gates probably have data on such things from the african continent.
    how that translates to western infant mortality as a driver for high reproduction is likely extremely difficult to formulate.
     
  8. ToR original Registered Member

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    Yes funny you should mention that ........ I 'forgot' that aspect of 'free thoughts'.

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    But it has now been noted.
    Less humans at this point is a distinct 'evolutionary advantage' is it not because greater numbers is hurtling us towards a 'major event' leading to self annihilation whereas less humans gives a greater chance of being around long enough to 'evolve' further and continue as a species ..
     
  9. ToR original Registered Member

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    In hindsight me asking if it was an 'evolutionary' advantage was a poor choice ... my bad.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Never mind the freaky twins: Click for fireflies.

    The colloquial translation there would seem to have something to do with hubristic scattershot irrationalism speculating at how particular outcomes presently describing disruption and antisociability will somehow save the species.

    It's not a lot to go on.

    Let's run with a version of the awful joke: Certain of these spectrally classified individuals will demonstrate results that make them excellent cogs in future systems, but one of the problems they will face in longer endeavors than the immediate labors before them is remembering what they're on about long enough to reach the next step.

    A less awful way of going about it would be to compare these people to some in fiction; over the course of Darker Than Black, the behavior of Dolls changed in ways we might describe in terms of social evolution; indeed, it is arguable that, by the end, Dolls reclaimed their humanity, but that becomes a -centric versus -futurist discussion. For our purposes, we might wonder what the Dolls were evolving toward; the difference between July's evolution and what seems conditioned and cultivated behavioral attitudes in Ariel and Bernice—though something about twins probably goes here—is notable in itself, but what they are becoming is its own question. There are no endpoints in evolution, save extinction, but what is the next LTS?

    If a given symptomatology is not actually a dysfunction but, rather advantageous characteristic, how does that work? Consider, as the discussion has it, that the question of large families↑ does not bear any constant relationship to population. Perhaps "Aspies" won't be forming large families, but you can't tell me they're incapable of fucking like rabbits.

    Okay, really: Do diagnosed Asperger's subjects actually refer to themselves and each other as "Aspies"?

    (I'm pulling a question and joke, on edit, as I note your next post in re "'evolutionary' advantage".)

    (Edit: Revise remarks; 17 July 2018, 0005.)
     
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    it appeared you were being deliberately emotively flippant.

    many a true word spoken in jest
    many discoveries have been made by accident

    the true fool ignores discord as an affront to the ego.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum
    some medical specialists suggest many people are on the Autistic Spectrum but at a very low end.
    some people suggest that fairly much, ALL people are effectively on the spectrum to a variant extent of neuralogical construction.
    The question has emerged in the last few years to be re-constructed as "where on the spectrum are you"
    more than "do you have (what ever)".

    the development of medical science along with psychology has uncovered a great deal more understanding about how the brain and body work.
    with every increasing understanding comes ever increasing ability to comprehend the processes of the mind in general.

    when considering the increasing demands on the brain development of children into the work force, the greater strain on various parts becomes much more specific.
    This Specificity of forcing greater advancement is likely to uncover various issues around basic psychology models of developmental psychology.

    It is likely to be some time before a better scope of the nature of the situation is grasped to gather if Autism is a developing increase of a specific trait or if it is a symptomatic disorder that is only shown in more advanced or specialised chemical(diets & other such daily intakes of chemicals) environments.

    where things are generaly is still in a stage of pushing the emotional social model of dynamic interaction of variant emotional states of high end processing of different parts of the brain.

    people whom are finishing their study now are divided into 2 groups.
    those who keep studying
    those who do not keep studying

    the job market place is ever changing, this demands that children be capable of learning far greater amounts of skills than their parents did and be able to change their core skill set to maintain employment.
    this alone creates new demands on the brain.

    are we now seeing what was always there ?
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    are we seeing something that is developing ?
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  13. ToR original Registered Member

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    Not sure what I said that gave you rise to conclude that? Regardless, you are incorrect.
     
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  14. ToR original Registered Member

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    I was just answering the post at hand. I wasn't thinking at all when I posed the question anything about saving the species. Hence my latter comment ... bad choice of words as it took convo in direction unexpected.
    Meanwhile yes, ASD people (some) do refer to themselves as Aspies.
     
  15. ToR original Registered Member

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    I reproduced twice (both planned) and yes I am rather rabbit like. The argument about not reproducing isn't something I relate to as all Aspie peeps I know have done so. But I'm not sure as a population total compared to the rest of the population how this varies hence didn't dispute or agree. Just went along with the assumption for debate sake.

    I started the thread as I (it appears) wrongly assumed there were a large number of Aspie peeps here and so hoped for a more positive outcome for thread highlighting the benefits as the word 'disorder' isn't (in my opinion) appropriate as I don't see it as such, but that's just me .. anyway. I give up. This wasn't the right place to ask.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, cancer is the result of an imperfect system of mitosis in the human cell.
    Other than cause organisms to evolve.
     
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  18. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    I don't accept that premise. Most humans don't have video game systems... Or reliable electricity.
     
  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    If you read even a little bit, you would know he wrote about common misconceptions regarding the title.
     
  20. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Being of personal benefit, or being OK with one's differences isn't the same as an evolutionary benefit. Also, I'm autistic.
     
  21. ToR original Registered Member

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    Agreed, hence my retraction
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I would note RainbowSingularity's↑ point about spectral locus, and in that context suggest two considerations:

    (1) Compared to the range of the spectrum, and presuming at least some undiagnosed spectral dysfunction in the representative population, looking for specific diagnoses might well discover an uncooperative marketplace.

    (2) Remember that the high-functioning range of the spectrum you are appealing to includes blocs presenting diverse exhibits of disrupted socialization and outright antisociability; this might be an important factor affecting projections of marketplace response.​

    Evolutionary considerations in behavioral and cognitive diagnostics makes a fascinating subject, but even when I come across actual social scientists discussing these aspects, it's a very quick transition to what those advantageous outcomes describe in terms of comparative environments. And it's generally dystopian.

    One grim analogy is that in the electroghostly cyberfuture we see projected in manga and anime, these people will become labor cogs so dehumanized by necessity of societal function that they will provide the transitional shells for improving humanity. They will be our lab rats for how to enhance the human body so that it might perform commercial labor more efficiently.

    Well, them and migrant children.
     
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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.

    Next question?
     

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