the blue brain project (2014)

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by orcot, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project
    Has anybody ever heard of the blue brain project?

    They claim that by 2014 they will be able to simulate a biological realistic neurological rat brain inside a supercomputer, followed by a human brain in 2023.

    Do you imagen it's possible and how could a virtual brain differ from a real brain?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think it's possible. The brain is just a kind of computer.
     
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  5. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    with the possibilities of uploading yourself immortality wouldn't be that far fetched. I imagen
     
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  7. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    how would you accomplish that? If you are a series of very complex systems that are in constant flux from any input you read, see or touch how can you put yourself into a machine? You can't upload yourself in any way other than what you only can tell the machine that you want to input. :shrug:
     
  8. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    You would never be able to upload you soul however. Thus, immortality would, of course, be far fetched. You are your consciousness. Don't be fooled into believing it is just a sum of all of your thoughts, memories and decision matrices.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    There is no evidence for a soul.

    I think you could upload your personality to a computer. You would just have to scan your brain and reproduce it. We lose brain cells all the time, so the copy would not even have to be perfect. It's likely that a more invasive, even destructive scanning process would be more accurate, so perhaps the upload would kill you (one of you).
     
  10. orcot Valued Senior Member

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    given the evolution of (computer) memory I have litlle doubt that in 20-40 years storing the entire content of your brain will be possible. However getting a accurante enough scan will be the obvious problem.

    I do agree that people are in a constant flux and that a memory scan of when your 30-40 wouldn't be the same you when your 80 in real life.

    Still it's definitely a worthy object of study as I'm still somewhat perhaps naivly hoping for if not immortality a longer lifespan in good health.
     
  11. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    According to research done in the early 20th century, it weighs 21 grams.

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    Russian Scientist Photographs Souls Leaving The Body

    But go ahead and upload yourself into a computer though if you are so sure. In your case? I don't think it would make much of a difference. You don't seem to be learning much on your journey anyhow.

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  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Give me a break. There is no scientific basis for that statement.
     
  13. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you are correct, there are no peer reviewed studies on the weight and imagery of the soul, because the establishment is terrified of what they might find. Kind of like once upon a time, the church didn't want people looking through telescopes any more.

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    It screws with the dominant power paradigm.

    But the studies have been done and I am sure you are aware of them enough to cast a little shadow of doubt into your soul. So much so, that given the option, I doubt you would have such an uploading of your individuality done if you had terminal cancer.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Science works by revealing our ignorance. It is the main driver of new discovery. So to say that science works by establishing a fixed doctrine is absurd.

    The experiment you refer to had some fatal flaws. For one thing, he rejected several data points that didn't support his theory.

    For another thing, it would not matter if there were weight loss on death (a well known fact caused by evaporation), you still haven't shown that the weight loss was in fact the eternal ephemeral immaterial soul of religious belief.
     
  15. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...q4WxDQ&usg=AFQjCNGhyKn_ZANLTNrPHBywdSIWZU6NDA


    So this shows that if there is a soul it can't be proven to exist in our time and space because it somehow exists outside of our surroundings in its own world. I'd say that is total nonsense for then it will never be able to be "weighed" as someone here has stated.
     
  16. emsimbeen Registered Member

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    Correcting these misconceptions about the Blue Brain Project in this thread.

    What is the Blue Brain Project in brief:

    Is it a systematic attempt to integrate the data about the brain into one coherent model which will be used to create simulations. As more data is inputed and accounted for in the model, the simulation gets increasingly more accurate. The simulations are able to demonstrate missing data sets and thus help to guide what experiments are still required. In addition, using models and this extensive data integration, rules about how the brain functions and how is it organized allow for reverse engineering other brains - i.e. the Blue Brain works on rodent brains but the rules which guide the structure of rodent brains is the same as those for other mammals and thus the rules can be extrapolated to predict the organization of other brain types.

    Is it possible to simulate the brain?

    The Blue Brain Project can already simulate a mesocircuit of neocortical columns. It is a giant leap forward towards this ambitious goal of simulating the brain.

    Will you be able to upload your brain?

    No, this is not the purpose of the Blue Brain Project and you can in no possible way with current technology upload anything of the sort. You cannot just "scan" your brain as today's technology and imaging methods don't allow for genetic, molecular detail etc i.e they can't say this person's brain is expression this selection of genes). Your personality is a combination of genetics and environment and thus it cannot be 'uploaded' anywhere because it is 100% unique in every individual. But the structure of your brain and the structure of Tom's brain or any random individual is based upon the same 'rules' so there is no need to upload -your- brain specifically anyway or anywhere to have the full benefit of simulation.

    For more information:

    Google the following: Frontiers Blue Brain Project / The Blue Brain Project EPFL
     

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