Thread: Muslim Experience in America

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    Have you heard of the burning alive of 3,000 innocent Muslims (mostly women and children) in Gujarat by Hindu fanatics in 2002?


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    have you heard of the godhra train burning incident?

    /snicker

    The Godhra train burning incident occurred in the town of Godhra in the Indian state of Gujarat at 0630 hrs on 27 February 2002. One of the coaches (Coach #S6) of a train named the "Sabarmati Express" was set on fire right after it left the train station. The coach was occupied by Hindu religious pilgrims called Kar Sevaks who were returning from Ayodhya. 58 Hindu pilgrims (23 men, 15 women and 20 children) who were inside, were burnt alive, and the coach was completely gutted by the fire.

    The attack led to the 2002 Gujarat Riots

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    And now Muslims are voting for Modi. People are so strange.

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    have you heard of the ahmedabad bombings that occurred just last month?

    The 2008 Ahmedabad bombings were a series of 21 bomb blasts that hit Ahmedabad, India, on July 26, 2008, within a span of 70 minutes. 56 people were killed and over 200 people were injured

    damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists damn islamofascists

    there you go, james

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    Are those islamofascists? They could just as easily be foreign insurgents.

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    The starting point: 1992 destruction of Babri Masjid by Kar Sevaks, aka Hindu pilgrims.

    A vast crowd, perhaps 150,000 strong, had gathered and was listening to speeches given by BJP and right-wing Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leaders...
    Among those present were LK Advani and Murli Manohar Joshi, now senior figures in the BJP-led government...
    The last police retreated from the mosque, their riot shields lifted to avoid being hit by stones the crowd was throwing at them, and two young men scrambled on top of the mosque's central dome and started hacking away at the mortar...
    Before I could reach there, I and the Hindi-language journalists with me were threatened and then locked in a room by kar sevaks (Hindu volunteers).
    Eyewitness: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2528025.stm

    There is even a video of the demolition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AhbyGeTIbQ

    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    And now Muslims are voting for Modi. People are so strange.
    Those people are traitors. The vast majority of Muslims hate the BJP and their genocidal policies in Gujarat. That is why the US didn't allow Modi a visa to visit the US, he is a murderer.

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    No not really. In India, Muslims don't really care if it is BJP or Congress or Samajwadi party. You only hear the ones who make the most noise, I know many Muslims who vote for the candidate and not for the party. Look at Muslims voting for Modi now.


    The Babri Masjid fiasco was so unnecessary, it was a joona purana masjid that had a temple in it. No one ever used it. They should have just given it to the historical society.
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    It is obvious that violence in Kashmir or done by Kashmiris in India is in relate to the genocidal policies and occupation of Kashmiri lands by the Indian government. However, the blame for violence against Muslims in Gujarat at the behest of Hindu extremist organizations such as BJP, VHP, and RSS rests solely with these parties and their members.

    The demolition of Babri Masjid by Kar Sevak was unprovoked.

    In any violent exchange between Muslims and Hindus in South Asia, Muslims are and have always been the overwhelming majority of victims. This is why Pakistan was created, in response to the massacres of Muslims in the 1930s and 1940s. In the Partition violence, more than 1 million Muslims perished at the hands of Hindu fanatics who did not wish for the Muslims to separate and become autonomous. The occupation of Kashmir and subsequent wars with Pakistan were in relation to this and in effect to undue Partition. The Muslims in India are mostly poor and defenseless, whereas the Hindus who are attacked are connected with Indian government (in Kashmir) or fanatical groups (in Godhra incident).

    Anyway, this thread is going way off topic, if you want to discuss this issue, please begin a new thread.

  9. #549
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    its why individualism fails as a social system.
    thats not particularly coherent
    you do know that america has a mixed economy, ja?

    this garbage about individualism and self reliance is a mindless relic from the frontier days when one had no choice

    hollywood may still perpetuate the stereotype but know this... the marlboro man has been replaced by beautiful and hairless metrosexuals

    needy fucks not rugged individuals

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    Gah, who counts the bodies? 6000 people died in the riots after the Babri Masjid demolition, none of whom were worth dying for an ancient pile of bricks that no one cared about till the VHP made it an election platform. After all that ruckus, what happened? Nothing. Its just an empty lot now, where it was a historical structure. Its everybody's loss, but still its was only stones. Not worth 6000 lives.

    okay back to Muslims in America.

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    You know that Hindus work in KSA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    No not really. In India, Muslims don't really care if it is BJP or Congress or Samajwadi party. You only hear the ones who make the most noise, I know many Muslims who vote for the candidate and not for the party. Look at Muslims voting for Modi now.
    They don't represent the majority of the Muslim population in Gujarat though. Every Gujarati Muslim I have met, and every Sindhi with relatives in Gujarat, has told me the evils and horrors of the BJP and its fixation on blaming Indian Muslims for all the problems of India. You can find speeches by BJP leaders making hate-filled speeches against Muslims even on Youtube. Modi is a murderer on the same level as Hitler, Mussolini, Milosovich, and Tara Singh (from Partition era).

    As educated people, we need to stand against murderers and criminals. Modi is an enemy to all peace in India, and to Muslim Indians in particular.

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    Bet none of them live in India. I find expats have far more opinions on these issues.

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    OK, back to the topic at hand.

    Anyone have any experiences with Muslims in America they would like to relate?

    Apparently there is a city named Dearborn in Michigan which has almost 50% Muslim population, I have never been there but I heard it is very nice. I plan to visit Dearborn sometime in the future.

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    The starting point: 1992 destruction of Babri Masjid by Kar Sevaks, aka Hindu pilgrims.

    why you you you...lying bastard!!!

    how quickly you forget.......
    Hindu partisan historians say that in the year 1527 the Muslim invader Babur came down from Ferghana in Central Asia and attacked the Hindu King of Chittodgad, Rana Sangrama Singh at Sikri and with the help of cannons and artillery (used in India for the first time) overcame Rana Sangrama Singh and his allies.

    After this victory, Babar decided to spread terror among the subjugated Hindu population. His general, Mir Baqi was in charge of the region. Mir Baqi came to Ayodhya in 1528 and gave special attention to the main and biggest temple in the town. This was the temple which was built on the place where Samrat Shri Ramachandra, an ancient King of India was born. Samrat Shri Ramachandra was (and still is) revered by the devout among the Hindus as a god, also referred to as Rama, believed by Hindus to be an avatar of Vishnu.

    Babar, whose general Mir Baqi allegedly destroyed this temple at Ayodhya, built by the Hindus to commemorate their king Samrat Ramchandra. Mir Baqi built a mosque at the site of the destroyed temple. This was called the Babri Masjid (Mosque), named after King Babar.

    The claim of the destruction of this temple and the erection of a mosque in its place is also mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannica. (wiki)

    you invaded my motherland, most foul islamofascist devil!
    go back to arabia!

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    Huh? Thats a false claim, there is no temple under it,

    There have been widespread reports across the Indian media that the excavation of a disputed holy site in India has produced no evidence of a Hindu temple, according to archaeologists' progress reports.
    Independent archaeologists have been employed to try to determine whether the site at Ayodhya in northern Uttar Pradesh state belongs to Hindus or Muslims.

    Archaeologists have spent the past three months tunnelling and digging and scraping away at earth beneath the site of a former mosque at Ayodhya.

    In an interim report, the Archaeological Survey of India says it has not found any evidence of ruins of a Hindu temple.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2981106.stm

    And Babar was far from the first.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheraman_Juma_Masjid

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    what what?

  19. #559
    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Huh? Thats a false claim, there is no temple under it,
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    you lie!
    The Archaeology Society of India conducted a study and an excavation to ascertain the type of structure that was beneath the rubble. The summary of the ASI report [2] indicated definite proof of a Hindu temple under the mosque. In the words of ASI researchers, they discovered "distinctive features associated with... temples of north India". The excavations yielded:
    “ stone and decorated bricks as well as mutilated sculpture of a divine couple and carved architectural features, including foliage patterns, amalaka, kapotapali, doorjamb with semi-circular shrine pilaster, broke octagonal shaft of black schist pillar, lotus motif, circular shrine having pranjala (watershute) in the north and 50 pillar bases in association with a huge structure" (link)

    i've seen it with my very own eyes

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    Thats very very odd. All this time I've been hearing there was no temple.

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