08-17-08, 01:25 AM #361
08-17-08, 03:34 AM #362
I suspect most Muslim converts in England would be viewed negatively ONLY if they make a big to-do about their faith - covering their body in a rug for example, or changing their name to Blinky or Mohammad, or demanding a prayer-room or UFO observatory at their work.
This sort of thing tends to piss off everyone else.
On top of that, people general associate Muslim philosophy as the main reason why the ME is backwards. It's obvious the Turks knew what they were doing when Turkish replaced Arabic in their new secular government. This is something many ex-Muslims from the ME have told me they think as well.
But, this shouldn't be seen as a "West" thing. Japanese, Chinese, Koreans Singaporeans, Thai, Philippians, Indians, Russians, Israelis, Brazilians etc... they've all said exactly as much as well.
Interestingly, Buddhism seems to be accepted by the West. Isn't that odd? How the two different beliefs could be viewed.
I wonder why?
Lastly, Western people tend to prefer when everyone keeps their superstitious beliefs to themselves. You want to pray towards Alpha centari 3 or Mecca, fine, just keep it to yourselves.
That's the American way, as they say, when in Rome.
Last edited by Michael; 08-17-08 at 04:03 AM.
08-17-08, 05:27 AM #363
Documentary: Turning Muslim in Texas
Five months before their marriage, Karen Meek's fiancé told her that he was becoming a Muslim. Ms. Meek, an atheist, was taken aback.
"I thought he was being brainwashed into something," she said. "All of a sudden he stopped drinking alcohol. He wanted to pray every day. He stopped eating pork."
For months, Eric Meek, a lapsed Baptist, had studied Islam without telling her. Now, when he went to work, Ms. Meek poured over his books and videos, trying to understand his faith.
She never expected to be attracted to Islam.
"I grew up thinking religion was ridiculous," said Ms. Meek, 33, of Lewisville. "I didn't believe in God. I had no idea how the universe was created and, frankly, didn't care."
She said Islam had a logic to it that she couldn't resist.
"Coming from an atheist background, I had an easier time accepting Islam than a Christian because I didn't have to unlearn or give up any beliefs," she said.
After getting married, she prayed for the first time while her husband was at work. She learned how from a book.
"Until this point, I had done everything privately, without telling him," she said. "I did not want to join a religion just because he did. I wanted to discover it on my own."
She and her husband began meeting with other Muslims to study the Quran, the holy book of Islam. Eventually, she made her profession of faith.
Her choice of religions stunned her parents.
"One day she came and she wearing a scarf and a dress down to her ankles," said her father, Ray Allred of Carrollton. "I was shocked."
He said he was estranged from his daughter for a time because of her religion. They're close now, though he fears for her safety since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
"You want to love your child, but when they do something so foreign to you, it's very difficult," he said. "I'd give anything if she hadn't adopted this religion."
Those comments were echoed by Jane Barrett of Flower Mound, who's Ms. Meek's mother. She said she especially dislikes the hijab, or head covering, that her daughter wears.
"Karen is such a pretty girl with beautiful hair," she said.
Ms. Meek said she understands. After becoming a Muslim, it took her many months to adopt Islamic dress.
"I would wear the hijab places where people didn't know me," she said and laughed. Now, she wears it all the time -- even to work, where she is an accounting clerk for a restaurant chain.
She said embracing Islam has caused her to see life in a new way.
"Going from not believing in God to believing in God is amazing," she said. "Islam opened my eyes to so many things I had taken for granted, mostly that life is a gift."
Understanding of Islam is a necessity in the modern age as Muslims increase in number in the West. Everyone should know about Islam.
08-17-08, 05:31 AM #364
Diamond can you enlighten me as to why pakistani muslims are such racist haters as per my post on page 16?
08-17-08, 05:38 AM #365
08-17-08, 06:05 AM #366
Firstly, percentage wise, more people in the USA convert to Scientology (the belief in an Alien OverLord) than in Islam. In Australia Buddhism is the fastest growing religion by conversion.
If you really cared to look into the matter you'll find about double the rate of conversion into Christianity compared with into Islam. However, as the mojority of Muslims live in 3rd world nations and poor people always breed much faster compared with wealthy, Islam is gaining more adherents compared with any other religion.
As for the prayer room. If I owned a StarBucks and some one wanted me to build an observatory so that they could pray towards Xenu in alpha Centaurus, I don't think I would oblige. In America out culture prospered by getting religion OUT of public life and into private life. And we like to keep it that way.
I have a question. When a 40 year old middle aged mother of 3 kids, converts, and starts wearing a burka, seeing as in this is not Islamic, do you think she is being brainwashed ?
08-17-08, 06:13 AM #367
08-17-08, 06:53 AM #368
The culture is we keep our religion to ourselves. It's worked relatively well up until recently with the rise of Xian evangelism. In the past people kept their religion to themselves and did their own thing in private and in public life got on with getting the job done.
What's the difference with a prayer room and setting up a room with a small telescope? Pretty much the same.
So, when a 40 year divorced mother of 3 converts to Islam and begins wearing a burka, would you say she is being brainwashed?
08-17-08, 06:59 AM #369
What does this mean:
The Australian Bureau of statistics claims Buddhism to be the fastest growing religion in Australia in terms of percentage gain with a growth of 79.1% for the period 1996 to 2001.
Why are Aussies converting to Buddhism?
08-17-08, 07:14 AM #370
This is interesting:
Fastest Growing Religion
The US department of state estimates that Protestant Christianity may have grown 600% over the last decade in Vietnam.
An interview on Aljazeera suggests that over 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity in Africa every year.
I wonder why?
Ahmad Al Katani:
As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed ?..
Data for Islam reveal that the growing number of Muslims is due primarily to the higher than average birth-rates and consequent population growths of Muslim countries and communities. Islam (Arabic: ) is a monotheistic religion based upon the teachings of Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure.
According to the "Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life", Islam is already the fastest-growing religion in Europe. Driven by immigration and high birthrates, the number of Muslims on the continent has tripled in the last 30 years. Most demographers forecast a similar or even higher rate of growth in the coming decades.
08-17-08, 07:16 AM #371
Too bad so many Chinese and other Asians are converting to Xianity. I think it'd be much better if they took up Buddhism. What do you guys think? Buddhism or Xianity? Korea is already majority Xian. I think that kind of sucks.
08-17-08, 07:18 AM #372
08-17-08, 07:45 AM #373
What's not really different?
Suppose your mother converted to Scientology, carried around a tape of Ron Hubbard (whom she now considered the Last Prophet), then shaved her head bald and painted a 7 pronged Star symbol on the top of her bald head (so Xenu could hear her prayers better - better ethereal reception you see, Toliman is a ways off huh) and she prayed 1 time every hour for 3 minutes facing Alpha Centauri.
Without knowing the context of her conversion do you think she has been brainwashed? Would you been worried for her or happy she found her truth and was very happy with her new family and culture and life? Would you support her? Suppose she changed her diet, now she had to had pork every day. She also needed you to take her new faiths particulars very serious. No more making fun of UFOlogist/Priests. Would you talk to her boss about building her a prayer room with a telescope?
08-17-08, 07:51 AM #374
If I found her faith disagreeable, she'd know, because it's a family, I wouldn't stop her from practicing it though.
If a majority of a schools students were muslims, do you think they'd stop them from praying ?, or wearing the hijab ?. Realistically, they couldn't, and shouldn't.
08-17-08, 10:49 AM #375
08-17-08, 11:14 AM #376
08-17-08, 11:21 AM #377
I met a Buddhist convert the other day, I asked him his definition of Buddhism, according to him it was escapism. Thats very apt and probably a good reason for conversion. When I said that, he said I was being spiteful. Very confusing
08-17-08, 01:27 PM #378
08-17-08, 02:48 PM #379
I'm willing to bet a Muslim's experience in the States is better than a Christian's experience in Saudi Arabia. In the former, the person can practice their religion and largely be left alone, while it the latter, the person's religion is banned and no formal application of its doctrines is allowed.
08-17-08, 02:51 PM #380
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