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Thread: Does religion need God?

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    Does religion need God?

    Can anything which doesn't claim to have a God really be a religion?

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    Yes, religion and God are two totally unrelated things. Most religions claim there is a God, and they don´t really believe; they are all afraid of dying (a.k.a. not trust God).

    On the other hand, some religious folks claim that there is no God, like Buddha; but they become God-like, and they don´t fear death, because they trust the same existence that made them be alive in the first place.

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    You can believe in God and still fear death. You can fear the pain. You can fear Hell. How is it religious to trust existence, when it let you down so obviously by not calling you into existence for billions of years with little reason to believe it will ever call you into existence again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    when it let you down so obviously by not calling you into existence for billions of years with little reason to believe it will ever call you into existence again?
    It "let you down"?
    What does anything owe you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli View Post
    It "let you down"?
    What does anything owe you?
    Exactly what I´m saying; life is a gift, and we can only be gratefull for it, to know this fact is religion. Suffering just happens sometimes, with the purpose of our learning.

    But on the other hand, your so-called-religions keep telling you to suffer in life to be happy in the after-life, well, this is NOT religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    How is it religious to trust existence, when it let you down so obviously by not calling you into existence for billions of years with little reason to believe it will ever call you into existence again?
    How do you know that you weren´t born for billions of years???

    According to Buddha, you have to have lived at least hundres of times before this one to be a human being. I´m not saying this is truth, but we cannot possibly close the possiblity of it.

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    Well, religion is worship. Why should I worship existence, if I owe it no loyalty?

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    I haven't existed for billions of years because the Earth was not capable of creating me for billions of years. We had to get through the Jurasic age first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    Well, religion is worship.
    Religion is mans relationship with the transcendent. Interestingly, only those forms of religion which emphasize faith require worship. If you have experience you don't need faith. Worship is a distortion of the overwhelming awe that is felt when one does have a religous experience. Worship is kind of like a woman that only pretends to be in love with a man.
    Religions that emphasize experience do not have worship built into them at all, hence the Buddhist saying - "if you meet Buddha on the road kill him" or from Christian mysticism "I pray to God to forget God" - Meister Eckhart.

    (And what exactly do you mean you owe no loyalty to existence? To owe something no loyalty means you are free to abandon it. Try abandoning existence and see what happens.)
    Last edited by grover; 09-05-07 at 01:52 PM.

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    do wiccans have a god?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orleander View Post
    do wiccans have a god?
    Nature itself.

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    Define God.

    If you mean higher power, force, uniting energy, undefined other power, or supernatural governing entity- then I think yes, without this religions would be philosphy. Even if there's only a belief in afterlife or reincarnation there is most often still some sort metaphysical guiding entity.

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    Do I owe air loyalty? No. But I am not free to abandon it. Or maybe you think I do owe air loyalty? Do I owe water loyalty to, because I am not free to abandon drinking?

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    Hmmm when I get on a thinking kick on this kind of subject, I think:

    What does God need with religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    Can anything which doesn't claim to have a God really be a religion?
    Yep. Buddhism is an example.

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    What does Buddhism worship, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    What does Buddhism worship, then?
    They don't worship. They celebrate life.

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    I celebrate life at my birthday party. Does that mean my birthday party is a religious festival?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why? View Post
    I celebrate life at my birthday party. Does that mean my birthday party is a religious festival?

    Your original question has been answered. This thread should be closed.

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    It's not even close to being answered.

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