How simple it really is . . . .

My alternative theory . . . regarding life . . . and quantum reality

"Quantum emergent energetic patterns are imprinted within organic matter, especially forming a limited variety of repeating nucleic (e.g., DNA) molecular sequences. This occurs via a quantum energy/organic interaction, at micron and submicron scales, similar to the Casimir Effect."

This is the basic formational process. If you can envision this process, the door is opened to explain derivatives of the process, such as consciousness, evolution, life, mind, etc., and its precursors, such as God and spirituality.

Give it some thought . . . if you're not too preoccupied with living your life.

 

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Aren't we all seeking the GUT and TOE?????

Is it just me . . . or are you calling me a crackpot? (tee hee!) That is WHY I POSTED THIS IN ALTERNATIVE THEORIES . . . actually it is NOT a Theory . . . . only an hypothesis . . . . Regards, James/wlminex

 

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James: Remember . . . you are discoursing with a "crackpot" whose out-of-the-box soliloquies (sp?) have little to do with mainstream physics. I'm simply tossing-out an alternative HYPOTHESIS (not a THEORY!). If you are further interested in what I hypothesize . . . do your own explorations.

 

James: Do a Google on 'Quantum effects on DNA' . . . . . . guess my hypothesis is not so curious (or even original) after all Re: http://www.rt.com/news/sci-tech/life-derived-quantum-effects/

Regards/wlminex

 

wlminex, you probably are describing the natural generation and evolution of life. I take that view because you reference "quantum emergent", which means to me, something having its beginnings in a natural origin at the foundational level, whether that is mechanically accomplished at the molecular, atomic, or sub atomic level.

Let's say I am right, and you are addressing the origin of the living molecule. I would agree that once life emerges and gains a foothold, that emergence opens out into all of the characteristics of living things from simple to complex.

I'll take up your request to "give it some thought" and offer these. Before life can emerge it needs a hospitable environment with the right chemicals and sources of energy for life to emerge. Also, the emergence, presumable characterized by the quantum nature of particles, would seem to me to be an iterative process. Given all the necessary elements and conditions, and given lengthy periods of time where those conditions are consistently present, eventually the living molecule combination of elements will emerge from one of the elemental combinations that appear in the iterations. By my definition anyway, it must reproduce itself in order to count as life.

Finding a foothold, and given adaptability, clearly it is possible for evolution to bring forth conscious, self aware, contemplative, intelligent beings; so I'll give you that.

Just how does the Casimir effect play into that emergence? Is it at the foundational level before life emerges, or is it instrumental in the emergence, or both? Explain.

 

How simple it really is... Wait a second, I so don't think so.

 

QW's: "Just how does the Casimir effect play into that emergence? Is it at the foundational level before life emerges, or is it instrumental in the emergence, or both? Explain. "

QW, Thanks for your query . . . . . I'll try to explain . . . .

First, a couple of webpage references:

Casimir Effect (CE) is an experimentally-demonstrable 'effect'
(Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect.

Google "Hameroff+quantum soul"

I am speculating that the CE interacts with ANY material of the required scale (for CE to occur), that is . . . CE operates within ANY material - inorganic or organic. CE is speculated (by others, e.g, Hameroff, as well as myself) to interact with neurons and microtubles (i.e., organic) simply because the operating scale requirements (for CE to occur) are existent. According to this 'speculation', CE is the interaction (based soley on scale - not the type of material) . . . thus quantum-level (scale) energetic interactions are possible.

My 'stretch' on the above is that quantum patterns exist . . . and that quantum emergent patterns (ordered energetic patterns emerging from the quantum) are likely impressed on existing matter (of any type) at the quantum scale via CE (or CE-like mechanisms). Scale is the only required criterion.

Now for some other really "OOB stretches" . . . . The quantum is a milieu within which vast energies and complex patterns are extant. We cannot directly 'measure' this milieu, or its energetic or emergent qualities . . . but we can infer such from demonstrable CE experiments, etc.

Speculation #1: God or spirituality, if true, likely exist at the quantum level and are manifest as quantum-emergent patterns that are NOT directly detectible (in a 'mass-universe'), but may indirectly affect matter (both inorganic and organic) at quantum scales.

Speculation #2: Quantum emergent patterns are impressed (at micron and submicron, quantum scales) within ALL matter.

Speculation #3: Weak hydrogen bonds in nucleic macro-molecules (e.g., DNA, etc.) may be affected by quantum entanglements (pattern interactions) giving rise to an evolutionary (DNA-changing) mechanism.

Speculation #4 (You'll really like this one!): God's creation of life was initiated by a simple quantum interaction with organically-expanded 'clay' particles in which the thixotropic clay particles (charged plates) contained interstitial organic compounds (such as H-C-N-P). Emergent quantum patterns interacted with these organic constituents producing (desired?) proto-nucleic acid (i.e., DNA precursor) and ergo, an evolutionary mechanism.

"Dust thou art . . .to dust returneth was not written of the soul" (Ref: J. G. Whittaker, I think)

 

Nonsense. People don't understand quantum physics, and they want to use it to fill in all the gaps in our knowledge in other areas. If you want to hear this kind of thing all day long, just click here:
http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/

It's an automatic phrase generator using Deepak Chopra's most commonly used words.

 

Reply to James:

 

SG: I hope you are not including yourself as the 'people' who don't understant quantum physics. Unfortunately, there do exist gaps in our knowledge that require filling.

 

Yes, I don't understand it either, but I know that it is probably not too involved in biology, apart from some clever things that plants do with photons.

 

Thank you for taking us through those links and explanations. Personally my views are vastly different, but if you are convinced by the evidence and logic, then no one should expect you to change them.

But I suggest that you be more direct. To what extent do you invoke the Supernatural? If you remove the supernatural is there enough remaining science to make your case?

 

QW . . . . Ans to your last query: Yes! BTW: Alfred Wegner had a lot less science as a basis in conjuring/hypothesizing Continental Drift.

Invoking the 'Supernatural' (your term) is a consequence of my hypothesizing an underlying implicate "order" (or intelligence) . . . based on absolutely no 'science' . . . except . . . and I prefer to believe such is the case . . . God is a scientist.

 

Well we all have our quirks, lol. Mine is that if the universe is infinite and eternal, and is governed by natural laws, then it is reasonable to expect that there are some natural laws we don't yet understand. Those could be attributed to God, but I also believe that the science and physics that we don't yet understand are still governed by natural law. If there is any intention, it is embedded in the natural law and has always existed; Eternal Intent.

 

QW: I agree. I too believe that the universe is infinite and eternal and operates via natural laws - into which are embedded emergent quantum energetic patterns. I like your Eternal Intent notion.

 

Thanks for contributing your perspectives, James . . . . . . .