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    Collateral Murder?

    Example of Military lying for their actions-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPr...edded&aia=true

    What do you think is the consequence for such action?

    Peace be unto you

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    had a mod but let him go spidergoat's Avatar
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    War is hell, ain't it? If anyone is responsible, it's George Bush for going to war in the first place. It really did look like they had rifles and an RPG, so I don't blame those pilots at all.

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    Looked legit to me.

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    Collateral Murders

    Just saw this in the inbox:

    Classified US military video depicting slaying of Iraqis

    Wikileaks has obtained and decrypted this previously unreleased video footage from a US Apache helicopter in 2007. It shows Reuters journalist Namir Noor-Eldeen, driver Saeed Chmagh, and several others as the Apache shoots and kills them in a public square in Eastern Baghdad. They are apparently assumed to be insurgents. After the initial shooting, an unarmed group of adults and children in a mini More..van arrives on the scene and attempts to transport the wounded. They are fired upon as well. The official statement on this incident initially listed all adults as insurgents and claimed the US military did not know how the deaths ocurred. Wikileaks released this video with transcripts and a package of supporting documents on April 5th 2010 on http://collateralmurder.com
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=42b_1270489420

    The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.

    After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement"...

    WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.
    Last edited by S.A.M.; 04-05-10 at 10:41 PM.

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    sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Giambattista's Avatar
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    I just came across that story today. It was gross.

    The people on the street are one thing, but just shooting up the van when those people were trying to help the injured... despicable. You can tell by their dialog that they pretty much just wanted to kill.

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    They did seem to think that the guys were armed (I didn't hear anything about a camera or "get the kids"), but they were bloodthirsty and incompetent all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffP View Post
    They did seem to think that the guys were armed (I didn't hear anything about a camera or "get the kids"), but they were bloodthirsty and incompetent all the same.
    I saw few if any objects that resembled guns. The attack on the van was totally outrageous, regardless of what the justification for the the previous mistake. And they sound like they're enjoying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html
    A crewman begs for permission to open fire on the van and its occupants, even though it has done nothing but stop to help the wounded: “Come on, let us shoot!”

    Two crewmen share a laugh when a Bradley fighting vehicle runs over one of the corpses.

    And after soldiers on the ground find two small children shot and bleeding in the van, one crewman can be heard saying: “Well, it’s their fault bringing their kids to a battle.”
    I also heard that one of the people involved in the Pat Tillman coverup was also instrumental in trying to sweep this story under the rug, too.

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    Actually, a couple of them were armed. Even the cameras look a lot like guns on that grainy vid. Still, hosing a van picking up the wounded is a violation of the Geneva Convention.

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    I disagree, the men in the video could have been carrying anything. Even if they were guns I'm sure lots of people in baghdad own guns and they don't all want to kill Americans.
    As for the guy with an RPG, maybe it looked that way if you have shit in your eyes.

    Fucked up.

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    Why open up on the van? Is it now ok to execute the wounded and people trying to help them?

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    And then these drooling, googly-eyed piglets in plastic helmets come home and are worshipped by family and friends and act like normal people. In the meantime, we literally have PSYCHOPATHS in our midsts.

    Slightly traumatized by this video here. Thanks sickos!

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    I assure you, these guys are not normal. There are some real wackoes in the US military. Let me tell you, you will not find a bigger asshole than a veteran who is full of gung-ho self-entitlement. Now, a vet who shows the same level of humility as a normal person is fine, but vets can also be real assholes. They expect you worship the ground they walk on because they are in the business of killing people. It's a job, and it's not even the world's most dangerous job. Sack divers do crazier shit on a regular basis, and it's more valuable to human society.
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    Here's a better link to these gruesome murders: http://collateralmurder.com/

    Every supposed patriot needs to see this video. I was in the US infantry for 4 years. I can tell you from experience that our soldiers are mostly a bunch of blood-thirsty rejects. It's just so disgusting the way they are all so eager to kill people for the slightest of offenses(like helping the wounded), and just evil the way that they rationalize their behavior as being noble and brave, when it's actually anything but. These ignorant, callous teenagers flying in there expensive toy helicopters, portraying themselves as some sort of ultimate professional. Roger this, roger that- bullshit!

    Imagine if the situation was reversed, with Iraqi teenagers flying helicopters over our land, shooting our white blond-headed children and their parents while smirking and chuckling from their safe vantage point in the sky, commenting to each other how easy it was to take us all out.

    Maybe we would find it comforting to know that some unaffected Iraqi folks far from here, viewing our slayings on the internet, might label us as looked-like-insurgents, and determine from grainy, shaky video that it was all "legit".

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    had a mod but let him go spidergoat's Avatar
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    And yet, if these had actually been insurgents with weapons, they would have done a good job blowing them away. This was war, and these kinds of mistakes happen even if your intentions are good. In WWII, American soldiers machine-gunned hundreds of Okinawan refugees who were coming to them for help in the middle of the night.

    What if it were reversed? What if Bush was equal to Saddam in his total oppression of his people? Let them go around killing his goons, I would cheer. And if you were stupid enough to walk around in a group carrying gear on a shoulder strap like a gun, then that's your fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillNever View Post
    And then these drooling, googly-eyed piglets in plastic helmets come home and are worshipped by family and friends and act like normal people. In the meantime, we literally have PSYCHOPATHS in our midsts.

    Slightly traumatized by this video here. Thanks sickos!
    I'm sure those pilots were traumatized when they realized their mistake. If they had killed your enemies, you would cheer them. Frankly, I do not give a shit what their attitudes are with respect to their job, it's a difficult enough as it is. Every profession has it's own set of lingo. There is no bigger asshole than those folks who would whine about brutal and dangerous men and then run to them when they are in trouble. The disrespect for the military on this board is amazing.

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    Caput gerat lupinum GeoffP's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillNever View Post
    And then these drooling, googly-eyed piglets in plastic helmets come home and are worshipped by family and friends and act like normal people. In the meantime, we literally have PSYCHOPATHS in our midsts.
    I know! And then they're running around, making Groups on FaceBook and booting out rage kittens! Madness!

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    In wars people die, get used to it.

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    If it is anyone's fault, blame the insurgents and Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    I'm sure those pilots were traumatized when they realized their mistake. If they had killed your enemies, you would cheer them.Frankly, I do not give a shit what their attitudes are with respect to their job, it's a difficult enough as it is. Every profession has it's own set of lingo. There is no bigger asshole than those folks who would whine about brutal and dangerous men and then run to them when they are in trouble. The disrespect for the military on this board is amazing.
    Pardon my french, but what in the hell are you talking about? They weren't traumatized. They were making excuses for what they did.

    These dipsticks are congratulating each other on their killings and laughing when a tank runs over a body. Notice how they keep saying "Nice" to each other after they kill some humans and then actually verbalize encouragements for the wounded to pick a weapon up so they can have justification to unceremoniously shoot the already dying human who they see is crawling on the ground through the scope. These nutjobs are reveling in killing and dehumanization. Listen to how desperate the soldiers are to fire up that civilian-containing van that comes to pick up the wounded. "Come on," they say. They crave this.

    If you think that shunning this grotesque display is disrespectful to the military, then you and I are simply not of the same species, and that explains why we do not agree on this issue. If you do not care about "their attitude with respect to their jobs," most in particular when that attitude is "killing for fun," then you might need to get some help soon.

    Our military today is not serving America nor defending American freedom by blowing people up in this manner. Truth.
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