Rape: The Megathread

Yeah. well he also implied that women are not advocates for women's rights. Or rather his sentence did so. I know that was not the intent, but it was pretty blatant and egregious....

 

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well he could well be right that the percentages are higher for men advocating for womens issues than women advocating for womens issues. I know there are more women working for mens issues than there are men working for them. Men in general seem to be compleatly apathetic to there own issues. Take prostate cancer as an example, the prostate cancer campaine was actually run BY women and AIMED at women to raise money for it. How many breast cancer advocates are men? ALOT

 

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wah! :bawl:
I never told anyone that if someone calls them a name to slap them. I said "It's what I would do". Doesn't mean I'm right, but it is what I am going to do. If a man feels that he needs to call the cops because I slapped him, more power to him. I'll gladly meet him in court.

 

agreed. Its not preocreation without consent, its SEX without consent.

 

umm im a little confused,
you agree but you dispute it?

 

you said rape is sexual assault and sex without consent. Yep, it is. procreation without consent is not rape.

 

um no, you miss read what i wrote. I said it they MIGHT not be charged with RAPE, it might be sex without concent or just sexual assult. I dont have the ability to interprate the full act to that degree. I DO however have enough brains to be able to read the line that says "any fraudulate activity invaildates concent"

 

brains to read it, maybe. To type legible sentences, NO!
You have no idea how easy it is to miss-read what you type.

 

im sorry, to be honest i am having a really hard time keeping up with what im discussing at the moment

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there are vicious debates going on all the way from this and is rape ever acceptable basically to what is mental incapacity through to is the US consitution wrong for giving imunity to the president and was it ok for the US goverment to try to pressure the Australian goverment to alow them to test VX gas on Australian troops

 

I don't think the person who wrote the list has the same definition of rape as most people. A few of the things listed I would categorize as annoying, but nothing close to rape at all. As a feminist myself I agree with a majority of the comments made on the list. But I'm not sure that the person who wrote it was saying that women are always innocent in sexual crimes, but since the letter was obviously addressed to get a point across to men, it seems irrelevant to mention the crimes of women in it and it would only hurt the writers case if the viewpoint kept flipping back and forth. Don't get me wrong I don't think women are always innocent little angels and I hate double standards.

 

If having sex with a drunk girl is like having sex with a 10 year old...

then why can you have sex with a 20 year old drunk girl when she is your girlfriend, but not with your sober 10 year old girlfriend?

Since we all know that alcohol returns your ability to consent to that of a child.

I mean the assumption is that if there is a 'relationship' status, then the consent is already there. Along with that issue of the 'relationship' being pretty much a source of auto-consent (unless she specifically states no not tonight), we have also established that it isn't a crime unless the 'victim' brings a case (unless there is something such as a tape that surfaces, but even then unless the 'victim' claims to have been raped there isn't much that can be done about it).

Now our two assumptions are drawn from this source.

 

Your 20 year old girlfriend will most likely allow such a thing anyway (even if she is not drunk). But if you are not sexual partners, then you've got a problem. The law is that anyone who has sex with a girl under 13 is committing what is termed statutory rape, drunk or not. And why is that? Because she is not mature enough to consent to intercourse.

 

You tell me...

Asguard said:

Then you replied:

So if Asguard can have sex with his unconcious partner, then why can't I? I mean like you said, "it would be damn hard to prosecute".

Also, if we follow along with your analogy of a drunk girl being similar to a child (let's just say 10 years old), and you have already established that it is fine to have sex with the drunk girlfriend (who is in the same state of being able to consent as the 10 year old is sober), then how can you say that it is wrong to have sex with a 10 year old that is your girlfriend (as Asguard and you were saying that it is okay as long as they are your girlfriend and she doesn't say that she was raped in court)?

 

If neither can consent, and neither claim to be 'raped', then why the double standard?

Also, if having sex with an unconcious partner is so wrong, then why was I the only one pointing that out to Asguard?

 

cutsie aparently bells did some back checking on the list and it was written by one of those lesbian "all men are rapist" feminsts

 

ABS, i fucked up the way i wrote that.

I KNOW she doesnt care because we have spoken about sex while asleep and we both agreed that nither of us cares as long as we arnt REALLY tired and get woken up.

The reason i specifide she was my regular partner is because wether she is to drunk to know WHOS dick she is playing with she isnt going to wake up in the morning and regret it with me because she does that while sober to.

I did this to seperate the case from someone taking advatage of someone else who they wouldnt CHOSE to have sex with under normal cirumstances

 

I don't think that bells did much of any back checking. Afterall, the link that she posted to claim her 'back checking' was the ED page, and nothing was linked to the actual blog. While ED does provide a lot of screenshots and accurate quotes, the fact that Bells used their description of the sexist idiot is pretty telling...

http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/