I am not talking about twitter or social media, EF.
Well I have been! My argument is we can't move to some internet mob form of justice, that all we have is police and courts for settling crimes, you seem to argue that is not enough? what more do you want?
So when you repeatedly argued about victims being "adults" and reporting it to the police and when you repeatedly commented on how that is when they should be taken seriously, you weren't questioning the veracity of what the victims experienced?
Yes! How are these crimes to be punished if they don't go to the police? What alternative are you asking for?
Not only do you belittle victims when you do that, but it goes directly to raising questions as to why they did not report it to the police, thereby questioning the veracity of their claims.
Well then we have a catch 22 here, they need to go to the police, but can't be told because it 'belittles' them and questions their claims. Then how are they going to get to the police?
This kind of rubbish does raise questions about the veracity of what these victims are reporting.
Oh so you want claims reported on social media taken as abject truth, no, no pretty sure you don't want that you child murdering cannibal you.
Do you know why women are coming forward with the #MeToo hashtag? Because there is comfort in numbers, they know they aren't alone and they have a world full of other victims to support them.
Yeah like children, worse like sheep, no worse like a coven of 11600s colonial american school girls: there is comfort in numbers and if they call cry "witch!" no one will question them all! I would think privately going to the police about being violated would be more comfortable, at least that is something I would expect from adult human beings that women are, not the child like angelic beings of fragile gossamer you seem to treat them as. Airing that across the internet just does not make sense as a form of comfort, it does make sense as a form of attention seeking though.
So no I counter your argument on why so many women come forward with the #MeToo hashtag: Because they are seeking attention and popularity via social media, social media: bane of our times because people have not adapted to use them properly, like researchgate.
To declare that these victim's claims are somehow illegitimate because they posted it on social media and because you assume they did not take it to the authorities is devaluing what they experienced and it does lessen the crimes committed against them.
Well nothing can be done, because they did not go to the police, did not sue, nothing can be done... except of course raise an internet mob to harass the accused, which would be wrong, immoral, slander and counter productive because it would create a counter culture like the one we have that has elected Donald Trump as president.
Not only that, you seem to think that all it would take would be to make going to the police an "easier nice process". We aren't asking for "nice". It's about being treated as a victim of a crime. I mean, surely you can't be that obtuse?
yeah sure, and that would entail what exactly?
For the accused. I'm not going to advocate jabbing electrodes into someones brain willy-nilly.
You are pushing a line that women in particular, are lying when they say they have been sexually assaulted because they have not fulfilled your ideal of how rape victims should behave.
That is projection, I have repeatedly stated the same thing for men, I have repeatedly stated the nature of our judicial system is prone to type II error for a reason, that it is consider better to let criminals go free then imprison innocent people, that the social damage of a draconian kangaroo court system would be worse. My argument is the necessity for due process, a justice system of police and courts for arresting accused and determining guilt, over a popular opinion/lynch mob/tar and feathering system of justice you are either intentionally or unintentionally advocating for.
You are pushing a myth and conspiracy, one that is inherently damaging to victims. And you are hiding behind the words "due process" to do so.
What myth? That people lie? that social hysteria happen? Did the satanic panic not happen, did McCarthyism not happen, did Salem not happen?
Your employment and healthcare is not affected. Sexual assault victim's are affected, in that they are denied access to healthcare, doctors don't take them seriously, rape kits are either fumbled or not done or processed, the police treat victims like criminals and they can and do lose their jobs, they aren't given access to mental healthcare to treat the psychological trauma.
yes, truly a shame, so we prioritize that issue and oh look who wins the presidency, oops. Here in the USA EVERYONE (that not rich) is denied access to healthcare, to psychological healthcare, and yes people do lose their jobs and file bankrupts here when they get sick and can't pay for treatment, that problem people care about MORE, they are so despite for better jobs, stable income, stable healthcare, a stable future, that they are willing to elect a huksters over a traditional politicians who has failed them one election cycle after another.
Your vapid 'I care more about jobs and healthcare then getting my ass pinched again' is a means to dilute the effects of sexual assault on victims, your demand for due process, is not about protecting the victim, but about protecting the accused only, you demand victims go to the police, while ignoring what happens when they do report it to the police.
Yeah and? what do you want to fix when they report to the police, i'm sure we can agree on things there.
The reason people voted for the "pussy grabber" is because rape culture has watered down these offenses and there is a culture of making excuses for it to the benefit of the men who commit these crimes.
unfalsifiable!
Why are you aiding and abetting that, EF?
Why are you murdering and eating children?
When you embrace that culture as you are, when you excuse it as you have been, when you defend it as you have been, then it normalises it. You are a part of that cycle.
unfalsifiable!
and I said I agree, we have no problems there. So what more do you want?
You responded by
whining about how you think this would affect the accused. By doing so, you completely ignored the fact that these changes would ensure the police investigated each case properly, ensuring "due process" for the accused and not victimising the victims even further.
Well thank you for answering my questions now, so we can do away with using social media to call out sexual harassers?
Again, due process for whom?
For the accused. You have been arguing for social media as a form of calling out and harassing sexual harassers, have you not?
Because you have already shown loud and clear that you don't care about the victims. You are only concerned about your healthcare and jobs, while ignoring how 'second rape' results in lack of access to healthcare and employment for victims and is geared towards protecting the abusers.
Incorrect. As long a republicans rule nothing you ask for, improvements in police, etc, can happen, and social hysterias like #metoo movement does nothing to change that, in fact it aids the republicans by making liberals look bad. So in order to win elections and get reform to the justice system, we need to priorities which issues we evangelize to what most people care about most.
You demean victims by demanding they behave in a certain way, despite all evidence of what happens to them when they do adhere to what you demand of them,
But there is no legitimate alternative way to behave. It is either go to the police, or nothing happens, going to social media just makes problems worse for everyone, except on average republicans.
and you are doing so to protect the accused and condone the crimes.
I have said repeatedly what needs to be done to the accused, that can't happen without a court of law. Harassing the accused, their employer, getting them fired or force to resign or expelled does not provide justice for a crime.
I think you are a psychopath because you seem to lack the ability to show any form of empathy or understanding for pain in others and the joy you seem to get in causing further pain and you seem to believe that you are well within your rights to behave this way. Your utter lack of remorse for your own behaviour, your selfishness has shone through. To wit, you behave like a psychopath towards victims and I will treat you like a psychopath. I believe I made that point quite clearly.
and I think you eat children. Now does it matter what I think, no, so it does not matter what you think either.
And if you want to know why your fellow Americans voted for Trump, look in the mirror. It's that same inability to feel empathy for others, that played a huge part in it. And you have displayed that in spades here.
Yeah well that inability can't be fixed by whinging about it on social media.
