spidergoat
Valued Senior Member
It's been in the news, people getting maced, thrown to the ground, run over by a scooter, arrested and harassed all over the place. That's what he's talking about.
Wall Street Protests Enter 11th Day
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It's not that you haven't paid much attention, it's that the sources you listen to are very biased, or don't report anything at all. I remember in one thread we were discussing, your view is that, at most, these protests amounted to a couple of hundred kids. :shrug:
You are uninformed due to the media you choose to listen to and believe.
This has been going on for over 5 weeks.
There have been very scattered reports of any unaccpetable action by the police and NOTHING SERIOUS.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/10/24/idINIndia-60098620111024
Which by the way, I am familiar with:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T...m=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1058&bih=423
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Well how many is it?
Not including the FAKE pictures that have been circulating on the internet (one posted here in fact)
As I pointed out in one thread, if it was 1% of just NYC residents it would be 90,000 people.
But it's not.
At its CORE it is indeed just a couple of hundred kids (Supported by a Canadian company Adbusters), maybe a thousand at most, but from what I saw it PALES in comparison to the huge demonstrations I remember from back in the 60s, so pardon me if I don't get all worked up about this yet.
http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&...m=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=679
Arthur
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spidergoat
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There hasn't been much violence except for NYC, where the police started it.
spidergoat
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Wait a second, I've been told that there was heinous brutality unleashed by the NYPD on peaceful Americans
Now I've yet to see anything that resembles actual violence, let alone heinous brutality, and in this day and age where virtually everyone carries a camera and most have a video camera and that movement is totally Internet enabled, I'm asking you to post a link to an actual video of this HEINOUS BRUTALITY being inflicted by the police at Wall Street.
So far I've seen a few people who were pepper sprayed and a few people in holds while being arrested, nothing more.
Considering this has been going on for 5 weeks and from all the reports I've seen I would not characterize this event as being unlawful on either side.
Arthur
Yeah, I know, she started a much better titled thread, Calling all keyboard protestors, ranter and ravers, but people continued to post at this poorly named one since it was posted first I guess.
She last posted at that thread. Needless to say, the protests are nearing a month old. How long will they last? Will Lucy reappear to give an update? Was she arrested, kidnapped, maced, beaten or possibly brainwashed by inside agents of the banks, corporations or big brother?
How long will the protests last?
Apparently long enough for Arthur to make an appearance.
lol That's close the the image I had in my head too.
More NYPD Police Brutality Against Peaceful Protesters?
"Confrontation: A New York City police officer shoves a demonstrator affiliated with the Occupy Wall Street protests as they march through the streets in the Wall Street area on Friday"
"Injured: Members of Occupy Wall clash with police during a celebration march on Friday morning in New York [Note: This is not the same protester who was run over by a motorcycle; that gentleman had no facial hair and was more clean-cut and muscular]"
New York City police officers runs over a Legal Aid Society observer as Occupy Wall Street demonstrators march through the streets near Wall Street, Friday, Oct. 14, 2011. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)
'Occupy Wall Street' NYPD runs over a protester with motorcycle 14/10/2011 [MIRROR]
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NYPD Punches Protestor Out Cold - OCCUPY WALL STREET
UNEDITED - COP KNEE ON THROAT 9/24/2011 #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Bite me
No, seriously.
The thread title is the same as the title of the article linked to in the OP. Fancy that.
:Shrugs:
(In short, I'm not going to apologize for not coming up with some smart zippy attention grabbing emotion blazing title, and placing emphasis on function over form, and at the time, I wasn't even sure if 'Occupy Wallstreet' was what they were calling themselves, or being called by the media).
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Seriously!!! Why didnt they occupy Wall Street in 1987 after Black Tuesday? Why they didnt occupy Wall Street in 1991 with the post Gulf War recession? Why not after the 2001 recession? Why could this not of happened in 2008 before their Government handed over $2 trillion of their money to bail out these parasites.
W A L L S T R E E T I S F U C K E D ......
I know. I was just giving you a hard time. You should be commended for actually being on the ball and bringing it up. I didn't bring it up, because, frankly, I didn't think anyone around here cared much. I don't generally start threads. . . that. . . is usually a disaster.
Interestingly enough, back around Easter when the house was debating the budget, my grandmother had asked me about what I thought was going to happen with the whole fiscal mess. She knows I have studied Pol-sci at University for over eight years, and it is what I constantly do, so she wanted my take. Plus, she is a very wise old German woman whose father fought in the First World War for the Germans, she knows a thing or two about what goes on in the world. You could say, she is non-partisan.
So, I told here honestly. Her husband Joe, a retired Post master general, wasn't entirely incorrect in his views, that conservatives wished to make draconian cuts to every domestic program they could get their hands on. (He's always having good-natured debates with my dad.) And my dad, isn't entirely incorrect that the liberals would like raise any and every tax, surcharge and user fee they can think of. Neither will ever let the other do what the other would like to do. But. . . it doesn't matter, because the same power funds both parties, and wishes to do both, it just plays both off of each other in the public arena. I told her nothing is going to happen until maybe October when they are forced to do something. . . then from what I have heard, they would produce something called an Austerity Budget, that would do both. Have draconian cuts, and raise taxes. But that through my research, then, there would be a massive rally against such a thing in D.C. of historic proportions.
Well, here it is many moons later. We have a super committee meeting behind closed doors. I was wrong about where these protests were going to be taking place, and I myself am as shocked as anyone that those rumors of massive protests were true. I am very suspicious of them to say the least. That rumors were circulating back and plans for their organization were formulated during the debt ceiling crises makes me weary that they may be a COINTELPRO/PSYOPS event, and I have told Ms. Lucy as much. Not only that, when they first started, they were aimless, w/o any real demands, they didn't seem to have a full grasp of the real issues, what is at stake, and how we got here. :shrug: It seemed to just want "boots on the ground" and people in the street.
So where are we now? Two things I would look for. Even though the weather is getting colder, and I think this will naturally wane and dissipate of it's own accord, it will still be there, just under the surface, because nothing has been resolved. I think people could be out on the street on a moments notice. And really, events are moving quickly.
I don't understand a lot about finance, but from what I do understand, it's much like a house of cards, you take one out, the whole thing starts collapsing. And it still all seems to be very shaky. Greece and the EU are far from out of the woods. The IMF is directly tied to that mess. . . . and, the FED can pump our money into the IMF w/o any consent from congress or the taxpayers.
So yeah, we're all connected, whether we like it or not, and those protestors know, at some level, they are powerless at this point from getting screwed over by the elites.Added to this deadly looming disaster, the last crises of 2008 is coming back, like a bad 80's slasher flick. Those toxic assets we once thought were buried and dealt with, well, they are now, again, trying to have taxpayers guarantee more money for them as more foreclosures are staking up, further weakening once again the value of hedge funds and derivatives. See post http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2842869&postcount=141
How about two symbolic gestures to move the masses? The revealing of the results of the super committee on the budget. . . and the 5th of November?
Is the fifth of November when the establishment makes its move against the protestors?
That's it?
The motorcycle was going 1/16th mile an hour, clearing the street of protesters, which was a legitimate police action (what if an ambulance had to get through to someone in a medical emergency?), and trying to prevent them from doing so was not legal, and so NO, he didn't RUN him over as the article implies. The idiot put his foot in front of a barely moving motorcycle and got it run over.
Instead of "heinous brutality" as you suggest, it would appear that after the front wheel went over his foot they stopped and got the bike off him with out even running over his foot with the rear tire.
The other pictures, we can't actually see what started it, but you can't unilaterally say the police are over-reacting in any of these shots. They indeed have batons and could inflict far more hurt on the people than they did, but used very limited force. Considering they are leaving virtually all of the protesters alone suggests that they are only reacting to actual assaults on themselves (such as that one punch).
Again, I've been in protests, including ones that turned ugly, and I know for a fact that the confrontations aren't always one sided.
Arthur
spidergoat
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I never said it was like Tienanmen Square! But there were incidents as people have pointed out.
Police have to enforce the laws and the protestors don't like being told what to do, and since there are always ones on both sides of the line who are a little quick to start something, of course there will be incidents.
BUT
Overall they appear to be relatively minor and from what I've seen it has appeared to have been a reasonably restrained affair from both sides, so to characterize it as one of HEINOUS BRUTALITY by the cops is a little over the top.
Arthur
spidergoat
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Just compare it to the reactions to the tea party protests, and you can see the bias.