The Wisconsin Issue

joepistole said:
Yes let's get our facts straight! You have made a claim that she is not doing her job, a claim for which you have not proven.



The Wisconsin senate has been accused of violating the state meeting law which was intended to make state government open to its citizens. From reading the law, it appears to be pretty clear that the Wisconsin senate did not give the required 24 hour notice. Hell they didn't even give 2 hours notice. So if the Democrats wanted to attend, there is no way they could have attended the session.



Yes the legistature has the power to legislate. But it does not have the right to violate the law or the constitution of Wisconsin or the nation. Making that determination is the roll of the judicary mr. roam - one of those minor details again.


This is absolute right wing fantasy material mr. roam. Why were you not complaining about Republicans when they blocked majority votes in the US Senate via the filibuster? What the Democrats are doing in Wisconsin is the same thing. They are preventing a majority vote in the Wisconsin senate the only way that is available to them. It is at the very least hypocritical to complain about what the Wisconsin Democrats are doing and exempt US Senate Republicans from their behavior these last two years...again one of thoses minor details mr. roam.


Where have you been mr. roam? Are you playing dumb? The Wisconsin senate is accused of violating state law - you know one of those minor details you would rather not face.


That is just silly.
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joe, She doesn't have any jurisdiction over the State Assembly.

Wisconsin Code 813,

813.025 Ex parte restraining orders. (1) No circuit or
supplemental court commissioner may issue any injunction or
order suspending or restraining the enforcement or execution of
any statute of the state or of any order of an administrative officer,
board, department, commission or other state agency purporting
to be made pursuant to the statutes of the state. If so issued, the
injunction or order shall be void.​

(2) The application for such an injunction or restraining order
made to a court shall not be heard except upon notice to the attorney
general and to such other persons as may be defendants in the
action; but if the court is of the opinion that irreparable loss or
damage will result to the applicant unless a temporary restraining
order is granted, the court may grant such temporary restraining
order at any time before such hearing and determination of the
application for an interlocutory injunction. However, such temporary
restraining order shall be effective only for 5 days unless
extended after notice and hearing thereon, or upon written consent
of the parties or their attorneys, and in no event shall such temporary
restraining order remain in force beyond the time of the determination
of the application for an interlocutory injunction.
History: Sup. Ct. Order, 67 Wis.​
 
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Buffalo Roam said:
joe, She doesn't have any jurisdiction over the State Assembly.

Wisconsin Code 813,

813.025 Ex parte restraining orders. (1) No circuit or
supplemental court commissioner may issue any injunction or
order suspending or restraining the enforcement or execution of
any statute of the state or of any order of an administrative officer,
board, department, commission or other state agency purporting
to be made pursuant to the statutes of the state. If so issued, the
injunction or order shall be void.​

(2) The application for such an injunction or restraining order
made to a court shall not be heard except upon notice to the attorney
general and to such other persons as may be defendants in the
action; but if the court is of the opinion that irreparable loss or
damage will result to the applicant unless a temporary restraining
order is granted, the court may grant such temporary restraining
order at any time before such hearing and determination of the
application for an interlocutory injunction. However, such temporary
restraining order shall be effective only for 5 days unless
extended after notice and hearing thereon, or upon written consent
of the parties or their attorneys, and in no event shall such temporary
restraining order remain in force beyond the time of the determination
of the application for an interlocutory injunction.
History: Sup. Ct. Order, 67 Wis.​
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Here is the problem with your arguement mr. roam. The court here is enforcing existing state statute, the open meetings law. It is not trying to void state law but rather to enforce state law. The Wisconsin senate has violated state law mr. roam.

Much to your chagrin, Republicans are not immune from the law. They too must follow the law...at least for now.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
pj, no She isn't doing Her job, at least get the basic facts right before you run off at the mouth.
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yeah actually she is. just because you don't know what the hell your atalking about doesn't mean she isn't doing her job.

Under the law, the Legislature is presumed to have acted legally, and unless it can be shown that the act was actually illegal, and constitutes a act that will cause irreparable harm, it goes into effect as passed.
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yes and their is a suit being brought against the law based on those very things. which is why she issued a temprary retraining order until the suit is completed.

Separation of Powers, pj, separation of powers, the Legislature under the Constitution of Wisconsin has sole power to legislate, and cannot delegate that power to any other Branch of the State Government.
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unless of course your a republican than you can and you'd support it to the max.

Seem the Democrat minority, who lost the last election, and ran away from their sworn duties, and responsibilities to their electorate, now wish to delegate legislative power to selected judges to over turn the actions of the assembly, the Budget Repair Bill passed both Houses of the Legislature, and by sizable margins.
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more lies and half truths. yes they lost because of corporate power and foriegners influencing are election but they are acting as a minority party should. stepping up when they feel the actions of the majoity party are egregious.

One other little point, the Democrats votes were counted, they were allowed to vote in the Senate, and they still lost, so again where is the jurisdiction of this District Circuit Judge to legislate from the bench on a legally passed law.
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actually to my knowledge they never voted.

Fact pj, not supposition from you, verifiable facts, based in Constitution and Law, not your fevered fantasies.
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almost nothing you say is fact.



Actually pj, when you move out of mommy's house and support your self by your own industries, pay your own bills, come back a tell me about growing up.
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No I'll call you a child and tell you the grow the fuck up as long as you act like a petulant 4 year old. really attacking someone mother I'm pretty sure that wasn't considered appropriate in elementry school let alone from some who claims to be 60 years old.
 
pjdude1219 said:
actually to my knowledge they never voted.
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Nor did Democrats get the opportunity to vote, the Republican violation of state law prevented Democrats from voting.

I think the clear message we are getting from people like mr. roam, Tom Delay and several other Republicans/Tea Partiers is that laws apply to the other guy, not Republicans/Tea Partiers.
 
joepistole said:
Nor did Democrats get the opportunity to vote, the Republican violation of state law prevented Democrats from voting.

I think the clear message we are getting from people like mr. roam, Tom Delay and several other Republicans/Tea Partiers is that laws apply to the other guy, not Republicans/Tea Partiers.
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Mr. pistol, you need to broaden your reading to include sources other than Democrat Union talking points.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/UPDATE_Budget_Repair_Bill_Passes_Committee.html

Continuing Coverage: Penalties Against Democratic Wis. Senators Undone
UPDATE: Wisconsin's Democratic state senators will have votes they cast in committee counted and other penalties imposed against them will be rescinded after they returned to the state on Saturday.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Mr. pistol, you need to broaden your reading to include sources other than Democrat Union talking points.
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Oh and just what Democrat/union talking points do I read mr. roam? I have news for you, I don't read partisan talking points.
Buffalo Roam said:
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/UPDATE_Budget_Repair_Bill_Passes_Committee.html

Continuing Coverage: Penalties Against Democratic Wis. Senators Undone
UPDATE: Wisconsin's Democratic state senators will have votes they cast in committee counted and other penalties imposed against them will be rescinded after they returned to the state on Saturday.
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There is no news here. Republicans and Democrats in Wisconsin have been talking for some time now, for weeks and they have failed to come to a final agreement. There is nothing in your article that says they have come to an agreement because as of now they have not come to a reconcillation. Given Republican duplicity in this and other matters I think Democrats have good reason to be skeptical of anything coming from the Republican side of the fence.

Additionally, there is nothing in the article you posted that mitigates the fact that Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate violated the state meetings law.

I suggest you take some of your own advice mr. roam.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
joe, you are nothing but partisan talking points, from beginning to end, Democratic Talking Points, Union Talking Points.
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Well you see that sums it up doesn't it mr. roam. When you cannot make arguements supported with evidence and reason all you have left is to accuse others of being biased. Before you go accusing others of bias and repeating partisan talking points, I think you need to take a long serious look at yourself. :)

You repeat Rebublican/Tea Party/limbaugh party line to the tee day in and day out. God forbid you should ever let reason and evidence replace repetition of the party mantra. :) Take a long look at yourself mr. roam. What was that Jesus said about the log in your own eye?
 
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