Oh I see, so if two men or women are having gay sex with each other they aren't necessarily gay even though they take sexual pleasure in it. Gayness isn't really about sexual behavior at all. I'm glad we cleared that up. So tell me what it is about. :shrug:
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Oh I see, so if two men or women are having gay sex with each other they aren't necessarily gay even though they take sexual pleasure in it. Gayness isn't really about sexual behavior at all. I'm glad we cleared that up. So tell me what it is about. :shrug:
It's all about color coordination.
Take a look at Ann's quote:
Some people feel they need to make a label to isolate the behavior from the person. Then they turn around and say well gayness is how much thus and so is attracted to the same sex on a scale of 1 to 10. Who can deny they are sexually attracted when they are having voluntary gay sex together? I say they are all "10s" while they are in the act. :shrug:
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You know there are actual investigations into this, right? You wire someone up to a brain activity scanner and some blood pressure readers and show them porn. It's how the more sophisticated behavioral folks get a reading on pedophiles and other people who always lie.woody said:
Like fundie Christians.
And most people -not all, but most - can enjoy the physical stimulation of sex with either sex of partner, or both at once. But gay men don't react to porn the same way straight men do. They don't have the same dreams, the same fantasies. They don't fall hotly in love with women. They don't go way out of their way to "accidently" bump into that special woman. There's a real difference, regardless of sexual behavior.
There are gay and straight celibates. Just ask them, if you don't believe me.
Gay women, less of a physiological distinction. Women may not in fact have an orientation, as men do, on average - it's possible.
Meanwhile, you tell me whether you think Ted Haggard would show up gay or straight on that scanner. I bet he registers as gay, regardless of his behavior with his wife for 28 years. Would you bet he doesn't?
"Fundie Christians always lie," what a fool you are iceaura.
Hmm, you just proved how accurate this sophisticated method must be! See there -- I was lieing again.
I guess so, if a sex toy can be used for sexual pleasure, why not an animate object as well?
Oh, ok, so you're telling me it's all in their head. Good point. Very good point. I'll have to remember to fantasize next time I have sex instead of just enjoying it.
A lot of men don't -- they just want a quikie!
oh, I certainly believe you.
I wouldn't know.
I think he shows up adulterer.
Or maybe he could stop fantasizing about sex. It's rare I ever have one, even during the performance of my "husbandly duties." Focus on what it feels like and it feels better! That's what I say.
Good ol' Woody!
No, and/but you do have spasms of lucidity.
Or as Ann says, they have to acquire a taste:
It was kind of like when I first started drinking coffee -- not an immediate attraction. I had to acquire a taste for it. :m:
When you make that comparison, and appear to honestly think it applies, I believe you about not having sex fantasies.woody said:
As Edward Abbey, I think it was, put it: fundamentalist religion is a failure of imagination.
But don't mistake that world for other people's: not everyone is materialistic. They fall in love, stuff like that, as part of their erotic life. And they don't get to choose who they fall in love with - unlike behavior, it's not something they can control.
Hence "orientation". Not something one has much say in.
Who was he adulterous with: was he married, in the sight of God, to his wife? Or was he cheating on his true love given to him by God, by hiding in a conventional and dishonest marriage ?woody said:
Hmm, I guess that doesn't include music.
They are very much out of control. I can agree with that.
How does it change, as with Ann Heche? Was it the right camera man in shining armor?
He cheated on his wife. There wasn't any love lost with his co-adulterer.
And so are you, in that manner.woody said:
So when you call for controlling behavior, which is only partially possible, you call for bad faith - fundamental dishonesty as a way of life - on the part of the Ted Haggards of this world. Behavior not just controlled, but concealed, as a fundamental human motive.
Did it? We don't know.Woody said:
And you are sure of the love lost with his wife? No denial of his true love, back in seminary, and subsequent life of playacting ?Woody said:
As long as you're sure - --.
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They are very much out of control. I can agree with that.
How would you know when I was celibate?
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Well Ann said so, and married a guy. Why do you think otherwise?
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When I was celibate for 10 years until I married, I didn't know I was being dishonest.
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I'm glad some people don't kill when they feel anger burning in them.
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I was speaking of his gay "lover" -- when they broke up, nobody felt they lost any love.
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How does one play act genuine love?
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and finally, a drum roll please.......
and Skinwalker tells us we have way too much imagination...LOL
They are very much out of control. I can agree with that.
How would you know when I was celibate?
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“ Originally Posted by Woody
Well Ann said so, and married a guy. Why do you think otherwise?
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When I was celibate for 10 years until I married, I didn't know I was being dishonest.
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I'm glad some people don't kill when they feel anger burning in them.
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I was speaking of his gay "lover" -- when they broke up, nobody felt they lost any love.
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How does one play act genuine love?
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and finally, a drum roll please.......
and Skinwalker tells us we have way too much imagination...LOL
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I was once temporarilly sodomized by Hugh Jackman.
It still hurts (in a strictly manly way, mind you).
It still hurts (in a strictly manly way, mind you).
This is simple.
There is a difference between homosexual behavior and homosexual people. The difference is that gay people are ATTRACTED to the same sex. As pointed out earler in several post, one can have gay sex and not be gay, but one cannot be attracted to the same sex and not be gay, even if they never engage in sexual activity. It is about perference, not the actual activity of sex. Your either perfer the opposite sex, the same, or both,.....straight, gay, bi.
Now, about it being a choice. Being gay IS NOT A CHOICE, for those that are truly gay. Bi-sexual people and dumb people have confused the issue, some people think they are gay or want to be gay but are not. Sexual perference and attraction are not things that somebody choose. These are things that are developed before one is born thru DNA, and modified throughtout life by the eniviroment and culture that one lives. But nobody choses who they are attracted to, it is a biochemical response to favorable stimuli.
If you disagree with the idea that people are not born gay, then ask your self a few questions: At what age did you DECIDE you were striaght? What made you decide you wanted to be straight? How long did you ponder this before making a decision? When did you made your decision? Did you tell your friends? Was it a final decision etc...? Get the point? You never answered any of these question because you never had too, you just knew and did. There was no choice.
There is a difference between homosexual behavior and homosexual people. The difference is that gay people are ATTRACTED to the same sex. As pointed out earler in several post, one can have gay sex and not be gay, but one cannot be attracted to the same sex and not be gay, even if they never engage in sexual activity. It is about perference, not the actual activity of sex. Your either perfer the opposite sex, the same, or both,.....straight, gay, bi.
Now, about it being a choice. Being gay IS NOT A CHOICE, for those that are truly gay. Bi-sexual people and dumb people have confused the issue, some people think they are gay or want to be gay but are not. Sexual perference and attraction are not things that somebody choose. These are things that are developed before one is born thru DNA, and modified throughtout life by the eniviroment and culture that one lives. But nobody choses who they are attracted to, it is a biochemical response to favorable stimuli.
If you disagree with the idea that people are not born gay, then ask your self a few questions: At what age did you DECIDE you were striaght? What made you decide you wanted to be straight? How long did you ponder this before making a decision? When did you made your decision? Did you tell your friends? Was it a final decision etc...? Get the point? You never answered any of these question because you never had too, you just knew and did. There was no choice.
So are some men genetically predisposed to a fetish for certain articles of clothing? Is this not a preference as well in exactly the same sense? The fetish object heightens their sexual arousal in the same way, doesn't it? At what point did a person chose to have a fetish, etc. etc.?
Additionally, what about Ann Heche? Doesn't that shatter the born gay template? No one can deny she was in a gay relationship. Even she doesn't deny it. :shrug:
Fetishes are different
A person develops a fetish through personal experience. How can someone have a festish for something..shoes for example, without first deciding what gender person he perfers in those shoes. One must first have sexual perference before they can develop what they like about sex.
On the other hand, one is born with sexual perference. There will come a time in a child's life where biological changes will occur and they will start developing into a teen. The hormonones produced in to brain will spur developing teen into becoming interested in sex, at which point, cultrual and enviromental factors will compete with natural desires to create what someones's sexual perference is.
Heche is either bisexual or confused. If she can find either men or women sexually attractive then she is bi. If she simply thinks shes gay because she "fell in love" with a woman, then she probaly isn't gay. She just engaged in homosexual behavior and like it. But she obviously perferrs heterosexual relationships which is why she is in one now.
People don't choose who they are attracted to no more than you can choose what talents they are born with. Talents, like homosexuality, can be repressed, developed, ignored, etc. But one cannot simply chose to not have them any more.
Think about it.
A person develops a fetish through personal experience. How can someone have a festish for something..shoes for example, without first deciding what gender person he perfers in those shoes. One must first have sexual perference before they can develop what they like about sex.
On the other hand, one is born with sexual perference. There will come a time in a child's life where biological changes will occur and they will start developing into a teen. The hormonones produced in to brain will spur developing teen into becoming interested in sex, at which point, cultrual and enviromental factors will compete with natural desires to create what someones's sexual perference is.
Heche is either bisexual or confused. If she can find either men or women sexually attractive then she is bi. If she simply thinks shes gay because she "fell in love" with a woman, then she probaly isn't gay. She just engaged in homosexual behavior and like it. But she obviously perferrs heterosexual relationships which is why she is in one now.
People don't choose who they are attracted to no more than you can choose what talents they are born with. Talents, like homosexuality, can be repressed, developed, ignored, etc. But one cannot simply chose to not have them any more.
Think about it.
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These inane threads of Woody's are like Israel... they don't deserve to exist.