Born Temporarily Gay

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Woody, Apr 14, 2007.

  1. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Old Proverb: Sowing Wild Oats

    When I was in my younger days we had a proverbial expression called "Sowing Wild Oats." It applied to people in their teens and 20s that went through a wild phase then left it behind. It's been around a long time -- much longer than the "immutably born gay" template -- and it's still here, showing that not everyone is "born gay" anymore than they are born drug addicts, or born alchoholics, or just "born promiscuous."

    I think my whole generation went through it (I'm a boomer). We experimented with booze, drugs, and sex. Some went even further into bisexual and gay sex -- most giving it up years later while a few others stayed in it. There were the hippie communes, the wild parties, etc., etc. I even thought I was having fun doing some of that stuff.

    Anne Heche is a more modern day example of it. Some of her quotes:


    -Anne Heche, from the Advocate, April 30, 2000



    Heche to an OUT magazine interviewer:

    -- D.L Foster


    If Anne was coming up in the 60s or the 70s we'd be saying yet another one "sowed her wild oats." It's not PC now days I suppose.

    Lou Reed wrote a song about it called Walk on the Wild Side.

    Well here are some more "Famous Annie" quotes:

    http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/312971


    http://www.hollywood.com/feature/id/471860



    After leaving Ellen:


    -Anne Heche


    Well I guess it's somebody's word against Anne's. She sewed some wild oats and moved on with her life. Anne said she had to develop her same sex attraction with Ellen. She never had that attraction before, and shows no signs of interest in any other female. Hmmmmmm.

    The old familiar root cause for sexual "diversity"-- She was molested by her father:

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...anne.heche.ap/

    Then after leaving Ellen she married a man:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1522840.stm

    When Annie talks about changing sexual orientation who needs a fundamentalist preacher?
     
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  3. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    She just did it for publicity, right?
     
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  5. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    soo....what's your point?
     
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  7. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    She turned lesbian for publicity you say?
     
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  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like she's bisexual; its not unusual.
     
  10. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Are you born bisexual?
     
  11. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    How was she only attracted to Ellen? How did she lose interest?
     
  12. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Maybe she thought that Ellen is more beautiful than men and other women, but then changed her mind.
     
  13. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    ITS EASIER TO BE GAY..... thats makes them victums.

    being straight... comes with children.... THATS ALOT HARDER.

    -MT
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Ermmm having seen my gay friends put up with the prejudices that exist in society (eg. from people like you), and being a parent and straight myself, I can assure you that a homosexual person has it a lot harder.

    Parenthood and being straight is not hard when one compares the horrors some people have to face because they are homosexuals. For example, a straight parent is less likely to be bashed up for being straight and a parent. A homosexual, however, is more likely to be beaten up because they are homosexual.
     
  15. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    So beauty causes it.
     
  16. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, plus, maybe Ellen gave her a bunch of money.
     
  17. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    So money caused it. :shrug:
     
  18. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    It seems reasonable to me, since Ann "switched back" after a relatively short stint of gayness.
     
  19. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    If you're "born gay," then how can you "switch back?"
     
  20. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Are you saying the "born gay" template doesn't work?
     
  21. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Does Ann say she was born gay?
     
  22. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Oh I see, Ann says she was not gay before she met Ellen, so Ann was born straight, then went gay, then switched back, so that obviously breaks the "born straight" template, and you would assume the vice-versa would be true as well.
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    According to the most careful researchers, women do not seem to be sexually oriented in the same way men are.

    There's a thread on it.

    So Ms Heche may not even have been "sowing wild oats" - but instead simply behaving normally and responsibly.

    Just as the past middle-aged Ted Haggard was not exactly indulging the wild oats of confused youth.

    And "born straight" men can have, and enjoy, gay sex just as "born gay" men can father children - but it doesn't change their orientation. Wire them up and show them porn, and the differences in response are obvious - even in men who have never "behaved" in such ways at all.
     

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