Iran seizes 15 British troops in Persian Gulf

GeoffP said:
What a bloody giveaway. Racism. Anti-Baluchistanianism. Sad.



I have no idea what this is meant to refer to on the issue of Baluchistanian freedom or their oppression. If you think your mindless support of the soulless Iranian oil industry is going to win you anything, you're wrong.



No, in Iran. That's the country beside Iraq. Although Karachi per se is in Pakistan. I suppose it's a provincial thing.
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Uncle!

(sorry I ran out of stamina, and I can't stop laughing here)
 
Well, you might laugh. But...the Baluchistani are actually being oppressed. It's fine to complain, but it's important to remember the "other side". No?

Laterz,

Geoff
 
Mr.Spock said:
If you don't know i wont spoil it for you.
And still, how does Israel problems relate to you so far away?
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Its mostly US behaviour which transports itself to us in India, unfortunately, Israel is also part of it, being a US pawn in the region.
 
samcdkey said:
Its mostly US behaviour which transports itself to us in India, unfortunately, Israel is also part of it, being a US pawn in the region.
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and you say i dont know what i am talking about. even so, its clear your iranian brothers are the one who are transporting their agenda to israel. maybe india has a part in this?
 
So Sam, your problems have nothing to do with the various on going wars with your neighbor Pakistan? How about the Caste system? How about the 1,000+ religions in India? No? It's all the fault of the US and Israel.....riiiiiiiiiiiight :bugeye:
 
buffalo said:
What don't you understand about 5 Iranians arrested in Iraq? they didn't belong there, they were in Iraq, no question, and they didn't belong there, so how is the arrest of them Illegal?
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The Iraqi government seems to think their presence was perfectly acceptable and in order. Or doesn't the Iraqi government's opinion count?
fenris said:
Perhaps they were expecting neither resistance, nor being suddenly inundated with Iranian gunboats. In fact, it speaks more of their being taken by surprise than anything else.
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So you are going with the "moron" theory, rather than the "provocation" theory, of the Cornwall's behavior. That's a possibility, I give you that.
fenris said:
And you're still seeing conspiracies everywhere.
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Not only am I seeing them, I'm agreeing with you about them - this action was obviously planned by the Iranians, and quite likely in response, at least partly, to the capture and detainment of Iranians in Iraq and other aggressive hostilities perpetrated or threatened by US and Brit forces on Iran's border.
fenris said:
And if you did note that the Iranians happened to be there in force, then why didn't you mention it?
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Because I forgot who I was dealing with. I also used some polysyllabic words, failed to preface each post with a diatribe against Iranian behaviors elsewhere and everywhere, and committed other offenses against rightist custom, for which I humbly apologise.

Meanwhile, the only disinterested eyewitness testimony we have, in fact the only testimony we have from anyone who hasn't always - every time, repeatedly, and recently - lied to us about just such situations, is from the Iraqi fishermen: who reported to the local Iraqi military official that there were Brit military craft in non-Iraqi controlled (that means Iranian, here) water at the onset of this incident.

And explanations proceeding from taking that as an assumption require no stretching to cover oddities, no extrapolations into unlikelihood or ascriptions of unusual behaviors and motives. So even if they prove to be wrong, they are warranted.

So this is false:
fenris said:
What I'm arguing against is the assumption that the Brits were in the wrong, and the desire for you to believe it.
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If you wanted to argue against making such assumptions, you would present arguments against making them, not objections to the conclusions drawn from them. That would be a difficult argument - most people would regard assuming various possibilities and checking the factual support or implications a reasonable thing to do. As far as my desires, if you insist on making and believing idiotic assumptions about personal irrelevancies of which you are completely and utterly uninformed you can hardly expect much civility in response.
 
iceaura said:
If you wanted to argue against making such assumptions, you would present arguments against making them, not objections to the conclusions drawn from them.
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No, I'm afraid not. The vast majority of people, once having formed an opinion, cannot be dissuaded from it. They may dissuade themselves, in time, but will rarely be publicly swayed by direct questioning of their preconceptions or opinions. They will defend them.
If you're going to call an apple an orange, I'm going to call you an idiot. Not very productive, I know, but then I don't have the time to waste on fruitless endeavours.

That would be a difficult argument - most people would regard assuming various possibilities and checking the factual support or implications a reasonable thing to do.
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Then why the half-assed initial posts? You didn't give a "factual, well researched opinion" or anything remotely resembling one.
Don't ask for respect for that.

As far as my desires, if you insist on making and believing idiotic assumptions about personal irrelevancies of which you are completely and utterly uninformed you can hardly expect much civility in response.
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Civility in response? I just spent half a thread insulting you and every other twit around here, and you think I'm here expecting civility?
No personal belief is ever irrelevant. Beliefs give rise to and refine arguments, and they show through every word you write. No one needs to be "informed" of them when you're advertising them in 12 foot high neon letters.
And for the record, there are very few whose actual beliefs are what they think they are. Humans are the masters of self deception.

I've only seen one comment in here indicating someone was thinking. One. It was ignored. Accusations of blame fly around without any thought as to the consquence of this action, what might have pre-empted it, the desired or actual results. The subject has given way to a conspiracy theorists' talkback hour hosted by Leonard Nimoy.
 
samcdkey said:
Its mostly US behaviour which transports itself to us in India, unfortunately,...
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Why can't India, with 5 times as many people as the US, and much more than five times five times the history of the US, accomplish the same cultural global influence as the US has in such a short period of time?

We forced you, dragged you, against your will, to the US to enroll you in a US university so we can program you in an unfortunate way?

And then you unwittingly transport yourself back to India to be part of our evil infecting process?

You chose not to attend an Indian University. You chose to attend the wrong American university.

An it's America's fault? :rolleyes:
 
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Mr. G said:
Why can't India, with 5 times as many people as the US, and much more than five times five times the history of the US, accomplish the same cultural global influence as the US has in such a short period of time?

We forced you, dragged you, against your will, to the US to enroll you in a US university so we can program you in an unfortunate way?

And then you unwittingly transport yourself back to India to be part of our evil infecting process?

You chose not to attend an Indian University. You chose to attend the wrong American university.

An it's America's fault? :rolleyes:
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So, the US has a good university, and therefore it's foriegn policies are off-limits to criticism? I can never understand why you guys attack samcdkey's nationality in order to defend your party's actions.
 
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