Donald The Progressive

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Michael, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Initiating violence against morally innocent people is immoral. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with your cognitive biases, but that is the case. While you may think the USPO or a sewer system is a perfectly good example of State violence being used 'kindly', for the good of society, your brethren a couple hundred years ago, would have said the same of human Slavery. People were fed, clothed, society appeared (to those alive then) to be served quite well by Slavery. Natural condition they said. Good for the roads they said. Even many Slaves believed in and supported slavery. Not all, but most. The same could have also been said of the role that women played in society then. I'm sure Women's Suffrage heard many a snarky remark about the 'horribly immorality of marriage'. You know, just shut up, perform your duty as a wife, and get on with it.


    That aside, let's see, Trump may have grabbed a woman's pussy in a crowded nightclub 20 years and liked to talk shit with the guys. As an attorney, Clinton helped a man who raped a 12 year old get off clean and free, supported bombing CIVILIANS (women and children) in Syria, helped to destroy Libya and all around a nasty Warmonger.

    So, vote for her. She sounds like your kind of gal

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    Though, the real anyone may want to vote for the WarHarpy, is because they're Statists, and our Religion, the State, tells us too.
    So we do.

    Lucky for you too, there's a whole lot of functional illiterates who think just like you. And that's good. So long as WarHarpy doesn't start nuclear war with Russia via WWIII, we can continue with more of the same. Oh, and TPP - that'll be fun to watch play out. Not to mention all the pay backs and kick backs. This is exactly what the USA needs. Which, as I have been saying. We need a lot more of the same tired old bullshit. And there's nothing more tired than a 70 year old woman, probably with brain damage and on parkinson's medication. Hell, even a fly tried to land on her there was so much shit spewing out of her mouth. LOL


    Decades more is what we deserve.

    This spring needs to be wound up nice and tight

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    Then we get change you can believe in. Until then, let's all enjoy the geriatric WarHarpy Show

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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    We can confirm Ecuador cut off Assange's internet access Saturday, 5pm GMT, shortly after publication of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches.

    Land of the Fleeced
    Home of the Slave


    WarHarpy for the Win!


    Note: Nobel Peace Prize Weener O-blah-blah, the guy who's good at killing people, has invested more in nuclear weapons while concurrently persecuting the most Whistleblowers than any other POTUS - ever.


    State Authoritarianism .... now, let's all get down there and pull the Magic left/right lever again. See who get's to carry the Magic Stick of Power

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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Then civilization is immoral.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    People who betray their neighbors, don't pay their bills, use other people's stuff without paying for it, take advantage of what has been provided to them by other people without even so much as a thank you, and so forth,

    are not morally innocent.
    They were your brethren.

    This is where your complete inability to get historical facts in focus betrays you - you should never refer to slavery in the US while making your shithead arguments against government: some of your audience will be familiar with the history involved. Slavery was private, capitalistic, free-market, enterprise, in the US.

    Read back on the "brethren" who justified slavery and opposed using the government to eliminate it for the common good - you'll recognize the arguments. They were talking like you, Michael. Exactly like you.

    Same phrases, same arguments, same viewpoint on "multiculturalism" (and referring to the same people you are, as "multicultural"). They were arguing against using "State violence" kindly, for the good of society, etc, because that meant using it against them.

    And they were morally innocent.
     
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  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    LOL
    Reminds me of the sort of argument one would hear from a very .......very, Religious person. Kind of like when trying to justify God drowning a world of people, including children, you know - because he was throwing a tanty. Anyway, Government is anti-Civilization. It's a return to the jungle. To a time when Might made Right.

    That's WHAT Government is. It's a group of people with the legal right to initiation violence and coercive force against morally innocent people. It doesn't matter if that happens to be the Government in KSA enforcing its dress code, the Government in North Korea enforcing its speech code, or the Government in the USA, enforcing its drug laws, or selling T-Bonds on the productive labor of the unborn.

    In the meantime, let's see who the Grade 6 reading level electorate pukes up to be our next Alpha Monkey

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  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    LOL

    OMG, you're insane. Where to begin with this sentence alone.
    - According to your reasoning, the Framers of the US Constitution betrayed their king and didn't pay their tax bills! They took advantage of all the Crown had provided to the Americans colonies - the traitors!

    - Southern Slaves who betrayed their Masters and didn't pay their bills! They took advantage of all the Master had provided to them, housing, food, a good jerb....

    - Modern Americans, all of whom are repaying T-Bonds sold off to banking families LONG, LONG AGO and are forced to repay for 'other people' stuff', none of which they asked for, none of which they voted on, most of which they never even saw, whether it exists now or has long been destroyed. The modern day equivalent of Slavery. All made possible by our Progressive Central Bank.


    Anyway, we have an 'election' now don't we? So, let's all get down there and pull the magic Left/Right lever and see how get's to carry the Big Stick of Immorality. Then wonder why functional illiteracy rates continue to climb, wonder why welfare slums sink to new lows, wonder why you're required to purchase an internet ID to log on to "The People's Net" (LOL), wonder why drug abuse grows, together with the war on drugs. Vote for more Statist Authoritarians, live under millions and millions and millions of new regulations - watch as society get's less and less prosperous.

    Rinse
    Repeat

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    It must seem insolent? The Framer's I mean. Not respecting millennial old institutions..... the way they should have.


    There's a reason why we have words that describe the subjective experience of a similar behavior. Sex for example. It may be voluntary, we say making love. It may be through coercive force, we say rape. Attempting to justify rape, by claiming they 'owe you' because you happened to give them a lift in your car, or married them and provided them with a house - is sick. Now if we want to make this example a little closer to 'GiverMint'. Imagine, stealing a woman's credit card, wasting most of the money, buying her some shit low-quality food, and then sticking her with the bills - THEN raping her. And after this, having the audacity to claim SHE is the betrayer, the SHE is the one who 'owes'. That's insane. I'm talking Religious level insanity.


    Big Gawd, little state
    Big State, little gawd


    Of course, we're nearing another Religious festival, these sorts of irrationalities are only to be expected

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    Totally, insane..... and the sad thing is, most of the people in Government - understand this, and use it to manipulate Government Schooled Grade 6 reading level America. It's why BLM and From Russia With Love and such big hits right now. Normally these narratives would peter out with the end of the festival. Particularly BLM, talk about 180 degrees from reality. The only real worry is WWIII. And if Nobel Prize weeners like like Paul Krugman make the case War is 'Good for the Economy' and that a war with Aliens could really get those 'greenshoots' growing - well, Nobel Weeners like Oblahma might just do it. WarHarpy certainly would - if given half the chance.
     
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  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Even primitive societies have social standards.

    "On rare occasions, when women or children intentionally or unintentionally see sacred objects or rites they are prohibited from seeing, they are usually speared immediately."
    (http://austhrutime.com/offences_wiithin_tribe_or_clan.htm)

    I'm not sure what kind of society you envision, where the group cannot use force to obtain participation in a trial. Isn't such force morally different from force that intends to kill? Isn't it OK to place someone under arrest temporarily, until the matter in question is settled in some way?
     
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  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Force could be used in defense of your private property (beginning with your body) as well as to enforce contract. Of course, no child can legally enter into a contract (nor could an adult person not of sound mind) and so, no, you wouldn't be allowed to 'spear one'.

    Could you arrest a person? Well, unless you were an agency that worked a security personal, you probably wouldn't be legally allowed to no. Think of a mall, as an example. That's private property. You are free to walk onto the property - but, when you do so, you do voluntarily, you also agree to abide by the laws that protect that property. Of course, the owners WANT you to come - trade is how free-markets create wealth. But, they don't want you to steal or break their stuff.

    Most of our lives, we live Anarchically. Certainly, all of the good in them.

    It's not like we'd snap our fingers and *poof* no Government. We'd want a severely limited government that slowly concedes to free market competition. Right now we have a very large intrusive government the enforces regulated markets through regulatory capture with everyone acting as rent-seekers. America was one good, big, step forward. Since the ending of Slavery - it's been two steps back, rinse and repeat. In many MANY ways, we're less free NOW relative to the Americans who lived under the King.

    America doesn't exist. We are Citizens of the USA.


    Anyway, we'll see where technology takes us, or us it. I believe we will outgrow the need for Government out of necessity. I'm sure that's not how our "Public Servants" see things.
     
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    The Framers paid their tax bills, no problem. Again - you are unable to state historical facts. Why is that?

    And I said nothing about betraying kings, did I. What I said is that those who betray their neighbors are not morally innocent - how did that transmute into betraying kings? Is that how you see your fellow citizens - as arbitrary imposers of selfish demands in their own interests? Of course that makes it easier to sneak the betrayal past your conscience, but it's kind of obvious as such ploys go.
    Of course they paid their bills - and more, they created profit.
    Slaves provided for themselves, of course - they grew their own food, built their own housing, etc, - and they didn't have jobs.

    How far from plain reality are you actually going to go, before you notice how far away it is?
    Or 8 years ago, whichever comes first. T bills have lifetimes.

    Most of the current US government debt traces directly to tax breaks given to rich people in the 1980s and 2000s, so that the war launched by rightwing "libertarians" and Christian fundies had to be financed on borrowed money. Tax breaks for rich people is what the Framers rebelled against, btw - you do know that, right? Heroes of Freeshit rebelling against rich people getting tax breaks - where have we seen that since?
    Of course you can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest_in_the_United_States

    You simply cannot post without factual error. Why is that?
    And it gets uglier:
    Everything's gone downhill since the ending of slavery - could you be a little more obvious, please?

    First, identify the "we" that are less free - white male landowners, from the sound of it (nobody else makes even wingnut sense).

    Second: Name one. One of those many ways.

    Third: have you figured out why the Donald is a reactionary yet, and not a progressive? That will help you with First and Second.
     
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    Not undercover video: Donald Trump promises (ok, boasts) to keep America in suspense about whether he will accept the outcome of the general election.

    Which pales in comparison to the above, of course, because of all the evidence that Trump rallies are entirely peaceful gatherings . . .
     
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    sans agent provocateurs, who knows for sure?
     
  16. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Two funny points about this:
    1) They did the same to railroad B.Sanders - even to the point of some BLM women grabbing the mic right out of his hand. He looked just like a tired, weak, little weasel. A political hack. Oh, he endorses WarHarpy - how hillaryious

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    LOL
    2) As I understand, WarHarpy has such a low opinion of the functionally illiterate 'electorate' she went so far as to ACCUSE Trump of provoking violence at his rallies! During the third debate! WarHarpy understands her voting base is so misinformed, that she could pull that shit out right on live TV (do people still watch TV?)! Ha!!
    Well, to fair the Free-Shit Army just wants moar free-shit, they're in for a shock

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  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Who's it going to be The Progressive - and Change We Can Disagree About or The Warmonger and Four More Years Of The Same Ole' Shit

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    Interesting side note: WarHarpy (supposedly) plans to offer amnesty to all illegal economic migrants as well as is pushing to flood America with tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of economic migrants from the middle east. All of whom will be eligible for the sort of "Welfare" that would even make generational Welfare Government-Ghetto Thugs blush. Well, probably not, more like: moar please! (minus the please).

    DemoCrips aint gonna have to worry about their voting base for a LOOONG time. Take a good look at Detroit or Chiraq, that's the legacy of Democratic rule.

    LOL

    Don't worry, someday America will elect our very own Hugo Sanders and then we get busy eating our zoo animals, together with their keepers

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    And then ourselves. Won't THAT be fun.
     
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    That's a tad rad dad
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Americans today would only be so lucky to have the pittance of a tax bill and regulations the Framers rallied a nation into existence over. The taxs and regulations today, would make King George blush. But hey, you're in luck - because we're only getting more of both. Government, will expand like the cancer it is, until it finally kills its host. At that point, it probably won't matter to you, because you'll be to busy eating and being eaten

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    LOL

    Anyway, I see we're back to full-circle. So, let's all march down there and for the sort of Change, only an Insider like WarHarpy could hope to bring to a functionally illiterate 'electorate'

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    Maybe

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    It's good to see some small changes happening - particularly around private education. Some parents are seeing the light, and pulling their kids out of Government Schools. That's a start.

    IMO a number of problems could be solved by ending the Central Bank's monopoly over money. Or, another solution could be peaceful, election-based, State succession. First monetarily, and maybe later politically.

    In the meantime, let's watch as the old WarHarpy waddles through the next four years of Change We Cannot Believe Is Happening To Us.
    LOL
     
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    Via Twitter:
    Dr. Jill Stein ✔ @DrJillStein
    "It should clear to everyone that a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for war."
    — @ajamubaraka
    http://facebook.com/drjillstein

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    Oh???
    Reeeeeeeally???!!!

    What?

    You don't say Jill?

    That WarHarpy will work tirelessly to bomb women and child around the globe while flooding the USA with economic refugees? Really? Who'd of ever thunk it?

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    But, think of it this way. War is great for Bankers - they make out well. Sure, tens of thousands of children are burned, mangled, raped, sold, killed, beaten, traumatized, melted, ... it's still great for the MIC bottom-line. AND, most importantly, it'll be a game changer for the Democratic Party. I think the DemonCrips will win many more elections after this one - soon, it'll be baked in the cake. Just need to get rid of the first amendment and start issuing Internet IDs. THAT will go a LOOONG ways to making America safer and better and whatever...

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    The free land and other government giveaways made up for the modern stuff they didn't even know could exist - sewer systems, for example. Effective medical care. Good roads and waterways. Schools that educated every child in a given community.
    You're fifty years late - the big movement to private schools started in 1954, really caught on in the mid '60s.
    That's where you end up when you change the subject with each new post. Gish Gallops go in circles.
    The WarHarpy was the second most peaceful and least belligerent major Party candidate to throw their hat in the ring - second to Sanders. Every single Republican candidate, including Trump, was more of a warmonger.

    So the least belligerent is named WarHarpy, and the most reactionary is named "Progressive", and the way this makes sense is as a standard US corporate marketing operation - where the product is being sold for exactly what it isn't, or criticized for not being exactly what it is. The first dominant artificial flavor and food as "The Real Thing". The hulking macho truck sold for its gas mileage (best "in class"), the little four-banger sold for its snort and torque.

    The thing about the ad guys, though, is that they aren't fooling themselves.
     
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    that are inefficient, cost way to much to run and cause way to much pollution to the environment. Sewer systems in the free-market, would be generating electricity, producing petrochemicals and other useful items. You see a sewer system, and you assume it's great - not noticiing the hundreds of years of lost opportunity, which simply never became a reality. Just like a North Korean not noticing how shit their lives are, because there's no comparison.

    Our shitty (no pun intended) sewer systems are a failure. And you lack the imagination to see a different future - a better one.

    LOL
    Our roads suck and kill tens of thousands of people each year due to poor quality. They also cost too much and there's too many of them. See, in a world where we didn't have GiverMint, we would NOT have all these roads.... AND GET THIS, our entire society, the way our cities, towns and farms are structured to how we interact with one another, would all be totally different. We'd probably live in much more sensible sustainable towns. Our environments would be better. Who knows, we may be nicer people.

    You THINK things are great, because they're normal to you. They're not great. They're shit. We're fighting and killing millions and millions of humans in order for you to have your Government roads you love so much. What? You think our Oil Wars are for shits and giggles? Millions of children are slaughtered so that we can have our supposedly 'free' roads. Our societies are fragmented, we live in bubbles, drive in bubbles, and exist in our own little bubbles - thanks to The Roads. In a free-market, roads would still exist, but they would come at a cost.

    Again, yours is a failure of imagination.

    As a matter of fact, you don't appear to be thinking at all. Just doing. Doing what everyone else is doing. Thinking the way most other people think. Must just be a coincidence huh? You just so happen to agree with what is normal, right now, at this point in human history.

    One big fat unexamined coincidence.

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    LOL! As you now know full and well, functional illiteracy is higher NOW compared to 100 years ago in many Black Communities. This is only made possible through GiverMint.

    Not to mention the entire structure of education is unsound, thanks to Government it hasn't continued to advance, and is failing enter generations of humans, not to mention functional illiteracy rate just went up another percent (2015).

    Another percent higher!

    Does this happen to smart phones? Nope. Car? Nope. Planes? Nope. Computers? Nope. Only Government schools, Government roads, Government sewers, Government Ghettos, Government Money - only these are retarded, sclerotic economic and social messes. The free-market would have done away with these centuries ago.

    Yes, and some of those schools were and are great schools. Other's are simply recreating a Government School - only for the rich and high IQ children. I know of a private school that costs 1000 a year for 9 years to remain on a waiting list, then around 25,000 a year tuition, plus 15,000 for all the extras. They will not take a child, unless they score high on an IQ test. Regardless of how rich you are. Which, seems rather telling to me. What? They don't trust their own pedagogy? LOL

    And why? Oh, to attend a professional school as a rent-seeker. Like a medical or law school. You know, in between cutting and pill popping.

    Thank Government-Regulatory capture for the mess that is both "Public" and many Private schools.

    lol

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    Dr. Jill Stein ✔ @DrJillStein
    "It should clear to everyone that a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for war."
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    They're selling a tired ole' WarHarpy Insider as something other than the 4 more years of the same ole' shit that she is. While selling Trump, actual change, as a scary meany who might have, maybe, once, one time, at a night club 2 decades ago, maybe grabbed a pussy. At least according to a big breast implanted hanger-on. Meanwhile, WarHarpy laughed when she got a CHILD rapist off scottfree. I wonder, suppose that was your 12 year old daughter, would YOU want to vote for Hillary? Not to mention, her husband Bill 'I shoved my cigar into my interns pussy and then smoked it because I respect women' Clinton used to fly to a private pedophile island to hangout with a convicted pedophile.

    Anyway, let's hope WarHarpy doesn't start WWIII, other than that - onward, and downward. You needn't worry, functional illiteracy is going to go up another percent, medical error will continue to be the #1 reason you leave this Earth (assuming you don't smoke) and the Never-Ending-Wars will continue on as if were just stepped out of a page in Nineteen Eighty-four.



    How much longer, do you suppose, before our Public "Servants" decide we must have an Internet ID to legally access the Internet? How many more years, do you suppose, will the Never-Ending-Wars last? How much longer do we have to live with the TSA? How many more decades will the NSA continue to spy on us? Oh, yes. Indefinitely. Or, until we're eating one another, like are in North Korea and that other Progressive Socialist Utopia, Venezuela.


    Anyway, this Show is about the end. We'll soon know who our next "Servant" of Gawd, errr... the State is

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    America is Dead!
    Long Live the USA!
     
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